My view - as controversial as ever - is that the problem
is unfixable, and mail will eventually fade away. That
which will take its place is p2p / IM / chat / SMS based.
Which are easier to spam and less secure than smtp.
SMTP is p2p by definition, though you can use servers if you want.
SMS
On 2005-03-03T11:52:59+, ken wrote:
Chat is already higher volume (I read somewhere) in
raw quantity of messages sent than email.
I suspect you don't get much traffic. The beauty of a
non-real-time store-and-forward system like smtp (or SMS, or
oldstyle conferencing systems with
My view - as controversial as ever - is that the problem
is unfixable, and mail will eventually fade away. That
which will take its place is p2p / IM / chat / SMS based.
Which are easier to spam and less secure than smtp.
SMTP is p2p by definition, though you can use servers if you want.
SMS
On 2005-03-03T11:52:59+, ken wrote:
Chat is already higher volume (I read somewhere) in
raw quantity of messages sent than email.
I suspect you don't get much traffic. The beauty of a
non-real-time store-and-forward system like smtp (or SMS, or
oldstyle conferencing systems with
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:29:21PM +, Ian G wrote:
Peter Gutmann wrote:
Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eventually email will just collapse (as it's doing) and the RBOCs et al will
inherit it and we'll all be paying 15c per message like their SMS services.
And the spammers will
Thus spake Peter Gutmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [16/02/05 01:04]:
: Hmmm, and maybe *that* will finally motivate software companies, end users,
: ISPs, etc etc, to fix up software, systems, and usage habits to prevent this.
Doubt it'll motivate the ISPs. They'll be the ones making the 15c/msg. If
At 8:12 PM -0500 2/16/05, Barry Shein wrote:
And how do you fund all this, make it attain an economic life of its
own?
I can send you a business plan, if you like. Post-Clinton-Bubble talent's
still cheap, I bet...
;-)
Still estivating, here, in Roslindale,
RAH
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R. A.
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:29:05 -0500
Oh no, the idiotic penny black idea rides again.
Like the movie War Games when a young Matthew Broderick saves the
world by causing the WOPR
Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:12:59 -0500
And how do you fund all this, make it attain an economic life of its
own?
That's the big
Bingo, that's the whole point, spam doesn't get fixed until there's
a robust economics available to fix it. So long as it's treated merely
an annoyance or security flaw there won't be enough economic
backpressure.
On February 16, 2005 at 18:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann) wrote:
Barry
Peter Gutmann wrote:
Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eventually email will just collapse (as it's doing) and the RBOCs et al will
inherit it and we'll all be paying 15c per message like their SMS services.
And the spammers will be using everyone else's PC's to send out their spam,
Thus spake Peter Gutmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [16/02/05 01:04]:
: Hmmm, and maybe *that* will finally motivate software companies, end users,
: ISPs, etc etc, to fix up software, systems, and usage habits to prevent this.
Doubt it'll motivate the ISPs. They'll be the ones making the 15c/msg. If
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:29:21PM +, Ian G wrote:
Peter Gutmann wrote:
Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eventually email will just collapse (as it's doing) and the RBOCs et al will
inherit it and we'll all be paying 15c per message like their SMS services.
And the spammers will
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Subject: Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:29:05 -0500
Oh no, the idiotic penny black idea rides again.
Like the movie War Games when a young Matthew Broderick saves the
world by causing the WOPR
Bingo, that's the whole point, spam doesn't get fixed until there's
a robust economics available to fix it. So long as it's treated merely
an annoyance or security flaw there won't be enough economic
backpressure.
On February 16, 2005 at 18:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann) wrote:
Barry
: Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: cryptography@metzdowd.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:29:05 -0500
Oh no, the idiotic penny black idea rides again.
Like the movie War Games
At 8:12 PM -0500 2/16/05, Barry Shein wrote:
And how do you fund all this, make it attain an economic life of its
own?
I can send you a business plan, if you like. Post-Clinton-Bubble talent's
still cheap, I bet...
;-)
Still estivating, here, in Roslindale,
RAH
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R. A.
Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], cryptography@metzdowd.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:12:59 -0500
And how do you fund all this, make it attain an economic life of its
own?
That's the big
Oh no, the idiotic penny black idea rides again.
Like the movie War Games when a young Matthew Broderick saves the
world by causing the WOPR computer to be distracted into playing
itself tic-tac-toe rather than launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike.
It was a MOVIE, made in 1983 nonetheless,
Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eventually email will just collapse (as it's doing) and the RBOCs et al will
inherit it and we'll all be paying 15c per message like their SMS services.
And the spammers will be using everyone else's PC's to send out their spam, so
the spam problem will
Oh no, the idiotic penny black idea rides again.
Like the movie War Games when a young Matthew Broderick saves the
world by causing the WOPR computer to be distracted into playing
itself tic-tac-toe rather than launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike.
It was a MOVIE, made in 1983 nonetheless,
Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eventually email will just collapse (as it's doing) and the RBOCs et al will
inherit it and we'll all be paying 15c per message like their SMS services.
And the spammers will be using everyone else's PC's to send out their spam, so
the spam problem will
DIGITAL DOMAIN
How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp
By RANDALL STROSS
OMPARE our e-mail system today with the British General Post Office in
1839, and ours wins. Compare it with the British postal system in 1840,
however, and ours loses.
In that year, the British introduced the Penny Black
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