Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-21 Thread ken
John Washburn wrote: I would think the problem with the camp X-Ray approach is the same as happened historically in Botany Bay or fictionally in the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. When (not if) the ongoing support of the penal colony collapses what happens? The children are in legal limbo; neither

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-21 Thread ken
John Washburn wrote: I would think the problem with the camp X-Ray approach is the same as happened historically in Botany Bay or fictionally in the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. When (not if) the ongoing support of the penal colony collapses what happens? The children are in legal limbo; neither

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-19 Thread John Washburn
an interplanetary war of secession? -Original Message- From: Tyler Durden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Lunar Colony Interesting OpEd piece in the NYT today pointing out

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-19 Thread John Washburn
] Subject: RE: Lunar Colony On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, John Washburn wrote: I would think the problem with the camp X-Ray approach is the same as happened historically in Botany Bay or fictionally in the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. When (not if) the ongoing support of the penal colony collapses what

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-19 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, John Washburn wrote: I would think the problem with the camp X-Ray approach is the same as happened historically in Botany Bay or fictionally in the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. When (not if) the ongoing support of the penal colony collapses what happens? The children

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-19 Thread John Washburn
] Subject: RE: Lunar Colony On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, John Washburn wrote: I would think the problem with the camp X-Ray approach is the same as happened historically in Botany Bay or fictionally in the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. When (not if) the ongoing support of the penal colony collapses what

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-19 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, John Washburn wrote: I would think the problem with the camp X-Ray approach is the same as happened historically in Botany Bay or fictionally in the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. When (not if) the ongoing support of the penal colony collapses what happens? The children

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-19 Thread John Washburn
an interplanetary war of secession? -Original Message- From: Tyler Durden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Lunar Colony Interesting OpEd piece in the NYT today pointing out

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-18 Thread Tyler Durden
],'Justin' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Lunar Colony Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:20:51 -0500 At 04:39 PM 1/15/04 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: ... Interesting OpEd piece in the NYT today pointing out that a manned Mars expedition becomes *much* more affordable if no return trip

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-16 Thread Alan
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 16:11, Justin wrote: Trei, Peter (2004-01-15 21:39Z) wrote: Interesting OpEd piece in the NYT today pointing out that a manned Mars expedition becomes *much* more affordable if no return trip is planned. This is obvious. More affordable, but more risk. We might

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Justin
will allow the ragheads to win. A lunar colony within 10 years will certainly bankrupt the U.S. given our current financial situation. Does anyone think it will take less than trillions of dollars to establish a moon base? It takes close to a billion dollars just to launch a 20-year-old, poorly designed

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Pete Capelli
But bankrupting America will allow the ragheads to win. A lunar colony within 10 years will certainly bankrupt the U.S. given our current financial situation. Does anyone think it will take less than trillions of dollars to establish a moon base? It takes close to a billion dollars just

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Justin
Pete Capelli (2004-01-15 20:12Z) wrote: Of course, bankrupting the U.S. and getting a base on the moon are both useful objectives. With no financially viable country owning the lunar outpost, things could get quite interesting. Can't we just match this up with the 60% of the federal

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Trei, Peter
Justin wrote: Does anyone think it will take less than trillions of dollars to establish a moon base? The more realistic numbers I've heard are $400 billion for a moon base, double that for a Mars mission. I don't know the incremental cost to sustain the moonbase. Interesting OpEd piece in the

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread bgt
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 12:00, Tyler Durden wrote: Even more importantly, we can basically make the entire moon the perfect model of American culture in action, without any other nation to contest our policies there. It could be a paradise, and since no terrorists or ragheads will be

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Justin
Trei, Peter (2004-01-15 21:39Z) wrote: Does anyone think it will take less than trillions of dollars to establish a moon base? The more realistic numbers I've heard are $400 billion for a moon base, double that for a Mars mission. I don't know the incremental cost to sustain the moonbase.

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Alan
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 16:11, Justin wrote: Trei, Peter (2004-01-15 21:39Z) wrote: Interesting OpEd piece in the NYT today pointing out that a manned Mars expedition becomes *much* more affordable if no return trip is planned. This is obvious. More affordable, but more risk. We might

Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Tyler Durden
Thank goodness Mr Bush is finally thinking long term. Not only will the Lunar Base focus all of our attention away from the wars and other nastiness down here, it will get us to the moon before Al Qaeda and bin Laden ever have a chance to start spreading their filthy ideas there. If we control

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Pete Capelli
But bankrupting America will allow the ragheads to win. A lunar colony within 10 years will certainly bankrupt the U.S. given our current financial situation. Does anyone think it will take less than trillions of dollars to establish a moon base? It takes close to a billion dollars just

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Justin
Pete Capelli (2004-01-15 20:12Z) wrote: Of course, bankrupting the U.S. and getting a base on the moon are both useful objectives. With no financially viable country owning the lunar outpost, things could get quite interesting. Can't we just match this up with the 60% of the federal

RE: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Trei, Peter
Justin wrote: Does anyone think it will take less than trillions of dollars to establish a moon base? The more realistic numbers I've heard are $400 billion for a moon base, double that for a Mars mission. I don't know the incremental cost to sustain the moonbase. Interesting OpEd piece in the

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread bgt
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 12:00, Tyler Durden wrote: Even more importantly, we can basically make the entire moon the perfect model of American culture in action, without any other nation to contest our policies there. It could be a paradise, and since no terrorists or ragheads will be

Re: Lunar Colony

2004-01-15 Thread Justin
Trei, Peter (2004-01-15 21:39Z) wrote: Does anyone think it will take less than trillions of dollars to establish a moon base? The more realistic numbers I've heard are $400 billion for a moon base, double that for a Mars mission. I don't know the incremental cost to sustain the moonbase.