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Ok Mr. Smarty Pants Aarg! Anonymous remailer user, you come up with such a method. Cypherpunsk write code, yes? So write some code. Meanwhile, this is why it can't be done: If you have a client that sends a signature of it's binary back to it's mommy, you can also have a rogue client that

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

Ok Mr. Smarty Pants Aarg! Anonymous remailer user, you come up with such a method. Cypherpunsk write code, yes? So write some code. Meanwhile, this is why it can't be done: If you have a client that sends a signature of it's binary back to it's mommy, you can also have a rogue client that

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

Actually, our group at Dartmouth has an NSF Trusted Computing grant to do this, using the IBM 4758 (probably with a different OS) as the hardware. We've been calling the project Marianas, since it involves a chain of islands. --Sean If only there were a technology in which clients could

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm genuinely sorry, but I couldn't resist this... At 12:35 PM -0400 on 8/11/02, Sean Smith wrote: Actually, our group at Dartmouth has an NSF Trusted Computing grant to do this, using the IBM 4758 (probably with a different OS) as the

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

i guess it's appropriate that the world's deepest hole is next to something labelled a trust territory :) --Sean :)

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

At 4:17 PM -0400 on 8/11/02, Sean Smith wrote: i guess it's appropriate that the world's deepest hole is next to something labelled a trust territory :) Tears run down my face, I laughed so much. My cheeks hurt, I'm smiling so hard... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

Anonymous wrote: As far as Freenet and MojoNation, we all know that the latter shut down, probably in part because the attempted traffic-control mechanisms made the whole network so unwieldy that it never worked. Right, so let's solve this problem. Palladium/TCPA solves the problem in one

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:42:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Calling Lucky a liar is no more illuminating than others calling you an idiot. You're confusing a classification for an argument. The argument is over. You can read it up in the archives. If you think

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be sure and send a note to the Gnutella people reminding them of all you're doing for them, okay, Lucky? Do the Gnutella people share your feelings on this matter? I'd be surprised. -- __ Paul Crowley \/ o\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\__/

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm genuinely sorry, but I couldn't resist this... At 12:35 PM -0400 on 8/11/02, Sean Smith wrote: Actually, our group at Dartmouth has an NSF Trusted Computing grant to do this, using the IBM 4758 (probably with a different OS) as the

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 4:12 AM + on 8/11/02, David Wagner wrote: I hope I don't need to point out that always using the same exit remailer does *not* prove that he is using just one hop. One can hold the exit remailer fixed while varying other hops in the

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 9:15 AM +0200 on 8/10/02, Eugen Leitl wrote: I don't try to filter, but to join several sources. Anonymous is an idiot, but at least an intelligent one. I can't leave him out without creating a skewed picture of what is going on. No

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

At 4:17 PM -0400 on 8/11/02, Sean Smith wrote: i guess it's appropriate that the world's deepest hole is next to something labelled a trust territory :) Tears run down my face, I laughed so much. My cheeks hurt, I'm smiling so hard... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

i guess it's appropriate that the world's deepest hole is next to something labelled a trust territory :) --Sean :)

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

R. A. Hettinga wrote: [Ob Cypherpunks: Seriously, folks. How clueful can someone be who clearly doesn't know how to use more than one remailer hop, as proven by the fact that he's always coming out of the *same* remailer all the time? I hope I don't need to point out that always using the same

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

AARG!Anonymous wrote: I will just point out that it was not my idea, but rather that Salon said that the Gnutella developers were considering moving to authorized clients. According to Eric, those developers are fundamentally stupid. According to Bram, the Gnutella developers don't

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

There is a better way than the traditional 'client/server' approach (distributed or not). It addresses each and every one of these issues and its already written (by the people who invented Unix no less). And it's Open Source (under it's own license). Even has crypto built in. Plan 9.

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

TCPA and Palladium are content control for the masses. They are an attempt to encourage the public to confuse the public interest issues of content control with the private interest issues of privacy and security. Seth Johnson -- [CC] Counter-copyright:

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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:25:40 -0700 From: AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, as if my normal style has been so effective. Not one person has given me the least support in my efforts to explain the truth about TCPA and Palladium. Hal, I think you were right on when you wrote: But

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, R. Hirschfeld wrote: Calling Lucky a liar is no more illuminating than others calling you an idiot. You're confusing a classification for an argument. The argument is over. You can read it up in the archives. If you think there's still anything left to discuss, I've got

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

AARG!Anonymous wrote: I will just point out that it was not my idea, but rather that Salon said that the Gnutella developers were considering moving to authorized clients. According to Eric, those developers are fundamentally stupid. According to Bram, the Gnutella developers don't

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

There is a better way than the traditional 'client/server' approach (distributed or not). It addresses each and every one of these issues and its already written (by the people who invented Unix no less). And it's Open Source (under it's own license). Even has crypto built in. Plan 9.

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

R. A. Hettinga wrote: [Ob Cypherpunks: Seriously, folks. How clueful can someone be who clearly doesn't know how to use more than one remailer hop, as proven by the fact that he's always coming out of the *same* remailer all the time? I hope I don't need to point out that always using the same

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 4:12 AM + on 8/11/02, David Wagner wrote: I hope I don't need to point out that always using the same exit remailer does *not* prove that he is using just one hop. One can hold the exit remailer fixed while varying other hops in the

p2p DoS resistance and network stability (Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella)

On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 08:25:40PM -0700, AARG!Anonymous wrote: Several people have objected to my point about the anti-TCPA efforts of Lucky and others causing harm to P2P applications like Gnutella. The point that a number of people made is that what is said in the article is not workable:

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella (fwd)

I don't try to filter, but to join several sources. Anonymous is an idiot, but at least an intelligent one. I can't leave him out without creating a skewed picture of what is going on. On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 1:03 AM +0200 on 8/10/02, Some anonymous, and now apparently

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:25:40 -0700 From: AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, as if my normal style has been so effective. Not one person has given me the least support in my efforts to explain the truth about TCPA and Palladium. Hal, I think you were right on when you wrote: But

Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

An article on Salon this morning (also being discussed on slashdot), http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/08/08/gnutella_developers/print.html, discusses how the file-trading network Gnutella is being threatened by misbehaving clients. In response, the developers are looking at limiting the

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 10:05:15AM -0700, AARG! Anonymous wrote: On Gnutella discussion sites, programmers are discussing a number of technical proposals that would make access to the network contingent on good behavior: If you write code that hurts Gnutella, in other words, you don't

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

AARG!Anonymous wrote: If only there were a technology in which clients could verify and yes, even trust, each other remotely. Some way in which a digital certificate on a program could actually be verified, perhaps by some kind of remote, trusted hardware device. This way you could know

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, AARG!Anonymous wrote: ... / Not discussed in the article is the technical question of how this can possibly work. If you issue a digital certificate on some Gnutella client, what stops a different client, an unauthorized client, from pretending to be the legitimate

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Jay Sulzberger wrote: There are many solutions at the level of technical protocols that solve the projection of these problems down to the low dimensional subspace of technical problems. Some of these technical protocols will be part of a full system which accomplishes

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

Anonymous wrote: ... the file-trading network Gnutella is being threatened by misbehaving clients. In response, the developers are looking at limiting the network to only authorized clients: This is the wrong solution. One of the important factors in the Internet's growth was that the IETF

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

Antonomasia wrote: My copy of Peer to Peer (Oram, O'Reilly) is out on loan but I think Freenet and Mojo use protocols that require new users to be contributors before they become consumers. (Leaving aside that Gnutella seems doomed on scalability grounds.) Freenet and Mojo Nation have had

Re: Thanks, Lucky, for helping to kill gnutella

From: AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] An article on Salon this morning (also being discussed on slashdot), http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/08/08/gnutella_developers/print.html, discusses how the file-trading network Gnutella is being threatened by misbehaving clients. In response,

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