Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-13 Thread Ken Brown
R. A. Hettinga wrote: The reason we have ready availability of credit in the first place is because consumer debt is the most profitable business in the United States. I really wonder what component of this market is actually payment driven. After all, to easily buy *anything* over,

More steganography tool fallout from Disappearing Cryptography

2002-05-13 Thread Peter Wayner
To help flog the second edition of Disappearing Cryptography and encourage a general education in things steganographic, I'm continuing to roll out Java applets on the book's website. The latest applet lets you hide information in the noise of an image. That is, replace the least significant

Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-13 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: | On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 09:20:32PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: | And most of the sheeple _like_ it. They'd rather be safe than free. For | every complaint I've heard about having to reassure the bank that the | card wasn't

Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-13 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 10:18:41AM -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: | Morlock Elloi wrote: | | Mental constructs like this one, complicated schemes that require knowledge of | modular aritmetic to understand, is why this will not happen. | | Whatever aspires to replace paper cash for purposes

RE: More weirdness from Choate Prime

2002-05-13 Thread Trei, Peter
Morlock Elloi[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: payment is the one who pays the 1-3% transaction charge. The payer pays nothing. There are more and more brick shops that charge 3% *more* for credit card payments via principle of 3% cash discount. The CC commission is calculated into

Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
Go after those who already _know_ they need untraceability. Go after niches where VALUE COST. Don't try to argue that the world needs to replace its multi-billion dollar infrastructure of The question is - are there enough of these to justify development. Or maybe they all already have

Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-13 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 1:01 PM +0100 on 5/13/02, Ken Brown wrote: I really wonder what component of this market is actually payment driven. After all, to easily buy *anything* over, say, $100 right now, you have to borrow money, use a credit card, to do it. ? I use a debit card, one that draws against my

Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-13 Thread Tim May
On Monday, May 13, 2002, at 09:11 AM, Adam Shostack wrote: It also requires that the early adopters can convince merchants and banks to jump into a system from which they get none of the benefits which motivate Alice and Bob and me to adopt ecash. I want ecash for privacy; why do the

Re: Jupiter Analyst, RIAA Trade Barbs Over P2P Findings

2002-05-13 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:41 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: http://www.newsbytes.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable?client.id=newsbytesstory.id=176497 Jupiter Analyst, RIAA Trade Barbs Over P2P Findings By Kevin Featherly, Newsbytes WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 09 May 2002, 4:47 PM CST The industry

Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-13 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 12 May 2002, Ian Grigg wrote: The problem with paying for anything over $100 is having the money with you at that time. Most such purchases are not 'off the cuff'. They are planned. Most purchases are done at some random future time, Bullshit, most folks plan their future

Re: Disk encryption standards (was: RE: Two ideas for random number g eneration]

2002-05-13 Thread Paul Crowley
Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill: you might want to look at: www.siswg.org, which is looking at just this problem. Here's the meat of a couple messages I received about it: The IEEE Technical Committee on Information Assurance has started a standards project on storage

Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-13 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 12 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huge numbers of people use modular arithmetic to secure their credit card numbers, their transactions with overseas banks in tax havens, their transfers of e-gold. They do not to understand modular arithmetic. They just understand that third

Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-13 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 12 May 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Think about what you just said, there. Don't you realize that 1:M *always* starts 1:1? It's the same kind of evil-bourgeois-businessman hierarchical command-economy argument that aristocrats and peasants throw around. It's amazing how this kind of

Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-13 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 1:20 PM -0700 on 5/13/02, Morlock Elloi wrote: Go after those who already _know_ they need untraceability. Go after niches where VALUE COST. Don't try to argue that the world needs to replace its multi-billion dollar infrastructure of The question

Suggested Reading: Codes Ciphers

2002-05-13 Thread Jim Choate
Codes Ciphers: Julius Ceasar, the Enigma, and the Internet R. Churchhouse ISBN ISBN 0-521-00890-5 This looks to be a great book for intermediate readers (or beginners who have the math). It's nowhere near the completeness or complexity of Applied Cryptography, but then for $20 who would expect