Re: ACLU funds Total Awareness of State Abuse

2002-12-09 Thread Peter Gutmann
[Apologies if you've seen this before, one of our machines has been quietly dropping outgoing mail...] Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a mirror image to the government's plan to empower some Americans to check on their neighbors, under a program known as the Terrorism

Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less

2002-12-09 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark cited the Bank of England, not U.S. law. I don't know what British law is in this regard. It does appear that the law in England is not as demanding as I believed: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/legaltender.htm The concept of legal tender is

Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Harmon Seaver
Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? I was getting about a zillion hits on my web server from them this morning. They seem to offer services to gov't agencies according to their website. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix

Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-09 Thread Bill Stewart
At 02:17 AM 12/05/2002 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote: OK, suppose we've got a bank that issues bearer money. Who owns the bank? It should be owned by bearer shares, of course. Why? Or the propounders wanting to: make a profit/control the bank? There are two main reasons honest people start

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 9 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Tim May wrote: Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an enemy combatant and vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment, and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had at one time. So far this has only been applied to people who are

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread Sunder
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: Siliness, compounded. Show me a law about obligatory cameras in cybercafes. It's silly now. A few years back, the spook said that the NSA doesn't spy on US citizens and won't because that was not its charter.

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Anonymous
Tyler Durden said: In a way, the potential and impending truth of Tim May's statement is for a me a motivator to continue to promote strong crypto, ubiquitous Wi-Fi, BlackNet, and so on. Hopefully it won't come down to the above. It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the

Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 03:23 AM, Marcel Popescu wrote: From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark cited the Bank of England, not U.S. law. I don't know what British law is in this regard. It does appear that the law in England is not as demanding as I believed:

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:56 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a horse, and a rope. Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread Sunder
Yeah, well terrorists use condoms and wear clothes too, so those are terrorist tools also, so we should run around naked and have unprotected sex just so we don't help the terrorists. Also, terrorists don't jump off cliffs like lemmings, so we should do that too.

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:55 AM, James A. Donald wrote: So far this has only been applied to people who are obviously hostile muslim terrorist wannabees, but the program will be steadily expanded. Indeed, part of the homeland security act already aims at people who make cartridges

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: In a state where Crypto is not resisted (OK, there probably aren't a lot of these...perhaps in Europe or Canada?), Crypto defaults to the above. You really need to get up to speed on this issue if you think either the nations of

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Ken Hirsch
Harmon Seaver writes: Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? I was getting about a zillion hits on my web server from them this morning. They seem to offer services to gov't agencies according to their website. Their main service is serving static

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Got Reichstag? Mmh, smells like victory.

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: Maybe somebody doesn't like the new look on my http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org site. heh, as someone who drives by Oshkosh a few times a year, I think that's a great satire. Good luck staying alive :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread attila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Phone booths already don't accept calls, by State Fiat. You think detecting and dropping modem calls from a CO is tough? It's just a matter of designing a (software ?) modem that will, instead of whisling and peeping, emulate soccer mom

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread Major Variola (ret)
There was an article in the press a month or so ago about some town that was trying hard to restrict cybercafe hours, because of gang activity there - I'm not sure how much of it's just the same nonsense that tried to restrict video-game parlors, and how much of it's because the local bullies

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Kevin Luddy
Akamai also attempts to solve the problem of getting information to people fast. They have a huge network of servers across the world, and for a price will manage your content so that the important stuff is already as far along the pipeline to the requesting user as possible. Most large

Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less

2002-12-09 Thread Ken Brown
Marcel Popescu wrote: It does appear that the law in England is not as demanding as I believed: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/legaltender.htm The concept of legal tender is often misunderstood. Contrary to popular opinion, legal tender is not a means of payment that must be

Re: Digital Bearer Settlements Wiki

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 07:29 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 4:52 PM -0800 on 12/9/02, Steve Schear wrote: Haven't seen this discussed here. Meaning there is one, or you want to start one? SSShhh!, everyone! Don't tell Bob about Wikis and Blogs, else we'll be inundated with a

Re: Supreme Court Refuses to Intervene in Money Laundering Dispute.Also Moving on (fwd)

2002-12-09 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: These ap.tbo.com links don't work. I get ap.tbo.com can't be found. I mentioned this a few days ago. I can do a whois on tbo.com alright, but a lookup on ap.tbo.com says non-existant host/domain They work fine for me at every site (machines at

Re: Digital Bearer Settlements Wiki

2002-12-09 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 4:52 PM -0800 on 12/9/02, Steve Schear wrote: Haven't seen this discussed here. Meaning there is one, or you want to start one? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street,