Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil liberties and civil rights? Stop watching TV ? = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful.

Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Schear
-- Forwarded Message From: Marc Hedlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:13:11 -0800 (PST) To: Dave Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The TIA and fighting terrorism We could be taking this approach, but we're not. We could be improving the ability of local law enforcement to

RE: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-13 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 6:11 PM -0800 on 12/12/02, Lucky Green wrote: Agreed. A few years ago, some would advocate that on the Internet, no national laws apply. This was, of course, nonsense. Instead, every single national, regional, and local law in effect today

Re: Anonymous blogging

2002-12-13 Thread GaryJeffers
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Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Anonymous wrote: On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:47:25 -0800, Tim May wrote: America used to disdain the secret trials, the Star Chamber proceedings so endemic in other parts of the world. Now we have them. We will reap what we sow. --Tim May Spot on. But what, if anything, do you think can

Re: [MPUNKS] Cypherpunks December Mtg: HIGHFIRE Design Session

2002-12-13 Thread Bill Stewart
At 05:21 AM 12/13/2002 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote: Dave Del Torto wrote: Resumes should be in plain ASCII text format with a PGP signature (detached sigs are OK) and on floppy disk or CD-R also containing a copy of the applicant's PGP public key. Fuck off. If you think that a PGP key

XSS flaw found at https://www.e-gold.com (fwd)

2002-12-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
-- Forwarded message -- Date: 10 Dec 2002 12:50:03 - From: Liu Die Yu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: XSS flaw found at https://www.e-gold.com; i know bugtraq doesn't accept vulnerability on one site, but the following info is important; please suggest a

[p2p-hackers] REMINDER: (SF Bay Area) South Bay PeerPunks meeting next Tuesday (fwd)

2002-12-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:11:30 -0800 (PST) From: James D. Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [p2p-hackers] REMINDER: (SF Bay Area) South Bay PeerPunks meeting next Tuesday Just a friendly reminder -- next Tuesday 7pm onward in

RE: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Trei, Peter
Mike Rosing wrote: [...] When we can't vote, we can fight. So far the number of horror stories is small. But when everyone has a personal friend or relative that's been shot, abused, tortured or even just roughed up - then they'll know they might be next. And they might vote to

Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous
A couple of lessons from the 1990 news report below. First, the violation of law by high government officials illegally selling shoulder fired missiles and other arms to Iran, and using the illegal profits to fund the illegal state-supported terrorism against Nicaragua, is not punished, as

RE: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: For the Russians, 'a few' was over 70. I hope for a non-violent restoration - this sort of thing could give the Libertarian Party legs, if they handled it right. Agreed. And they may have not even need to handle it perfectly right, since the main

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:17:27AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: | All represive regiemes are short lived in a historical context. | Living thru them is hell. This one has already begun a rather | interesting hypocrisy - they say they support gun ownership, but | they have no problem with letting the

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Spot on. But what, if anything, do you think can be done to reverse this slide to Red White and Blue Stalinism with good PR? I trust you are not one of those who will prattle something like exercise your right to vote, or write your congressperson/MP, etc. In practical terms, in a

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:43:53 +, you wrote: If you don't choose to use these methods, the consequences are up to you. But secure comms alone will only provide you with useful information, by themselves they aren't enough; you need to vote. Lots of you. Nothing else really matters. To them,

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: Interesting approach. But exactly how does that hinder the FBI demanding a booksellers customer list, or a library's patron check out record, or a black bag job on a personal computer, or thousands of CALEA taps, or the Total Information Awareness

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: Vote? Are you kidding? OK, here is your task. Since all but one member of congress voted FOR the USA PATRIOT ACT, exactly what party or what candidates do you suggest be elected in support of civil liberties in the US? You don't seem to get this. Or on

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:01:05 -0800 (PST), you wrote: society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil liberties and civil rights? Stop watching TV ? Interesting approach. But exactly how does that hinder the FBI

[e-gold-list] Announcing Seagold.net: E-mail Privacy, Secure, Encrypted, accepts e-gold

2002-12-13 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
And this from a 1987 post: Current online database vendors like Dialog and Mead Data Central are already foreshadowings (albeit extremely primitive) of a GHA. It is interesting to recall that under the reign of John Poindexter, of Irangate fame, the NSC was seeking to gain legal access to the

Re: Gilmore's response

2002-12-13 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:15:22AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: | At 12:43 PM 12/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: | Gilmore's legal response to secret laws, etc. | | http://cryptome.org/gilmore-v-usa-god.htm | | I have a possible trip coming up soon. I intend to have my tickets | purchased by a third

Re: Gilmore's response

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:43 PM 12/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: Gilmore's legal response to secret laws, etc. http://cryptome.org/gilmore-v-usa-god.htm I have a possible trip coming up soon. I intend to have my tickets purchased by a third party and fly under an assumed name (maybe Tyler Durden ;-) I will carry

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
Interesting approach. But exactly how does that hinder the FBI demanding a booksellers customer list, or a library's patron check out record, or a black bag job on a personal computer, or thousands of CALEA taps, or the Total Information Awareness project, or the process of designating a

A Few Words About Palladium

2002-12-13 Thread Nomen Nescio
According to the message below, Palladium will not include a serial number revocation list, document revocation list, or similar mechanism to delete pirated music and other unauthorized content. These claims have been made most vocally by Ross Anderson in his TCPA FAQ,

Re: Gilmore's response

2002-12-13 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:54:06AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote: | At 1:38 PM -0500 12/13/02, Adam Shostack wrote: | PS: Current news in Canada includes the gun registry having undergone | a 12x cost overrun, and its not clear what will happen to it. A large | reason for the overruns have been

Re: A Few Words About Palladium

2002-12-13 Thread alan
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote: According to the message below, Palladium will not include a serial number revocation list, document revocation list, or similar mechanism to delete pirated music and other unauthorized content. These claims have been made most vocally by Ross Anderson

Re: [MPUNKS] Cypherpunks December Mtg: HIGHFIRE Design Session

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: Dave Del Torto wrote: Resumes should be in plain ASCII text format with a PGP signature (detached sigs are OK) and on floppy disk or CD-R also containing a copy of the applicant's PGP public key. Fuck off. You don't need to worry about

Re: Gilmore's response

2002-12-13 Thread Marshall Clow
At 1:38 PM -0500 12/13/02, Adam Shostack wrote: PS: Current news in Canada includes the gun registry having undergone a 12x cost overrun, and its not clear what will happen to it. A large reason for the overruns have been people making mistakes in filling out the complex forms, and thus slowing