At 2:59 PM -0800 3/19/03, Tim May wrote:
The greater threat is that access to one's home is impaired, or a car
breakdown occurs, which is why carrying a bag in a vehicle makes so
much sense: a shovel for digging out, a few blankets or a sleeping bag,
water, a flashlight, flares and other road
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/03/19/bill.of.rights/
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/5432311.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/5431087.htm
In 1789, after the Bill of Rights was ratified,
George Washington commissioned 13 handwritten parchment copies
to be
Has anyone noticed all the sites hosted at havenco (www.seagold.net, i
www.thegoldcasino.com, lists.havenco.com) seem to be down? Is this
suspiciously due to the war in iraq, or just routine outage?
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 01:54 PM, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
The design of current glass-tower skyscrapers encourages glass
fragment
blowthrough by the shockwave, which will result in massive injuries
(simulated on pigs in wind tunnels it abraded flesh to the bone in
seconds, it would
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 12:57 PM, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 01:37 PM 03/19/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
But as it the only terrorist attack (from non-US citizens, that is),
was on 9/11/01. Were there ANY others?
Sure. Besides the earlier truck-bombing of the WTC,
there were Waco and
Oh well, so much for diplomacy.
:D
I wonder if anything good is on TV!
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Informer alert: War begins in Iraq
20 March 2003
War has been declared against Iraq by the US President George Bush.
Initial air strikes have been launched on Baghdad,
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Ken Brown wrote:
Despite what Eric Cordian and others have said here, I think it unlikely
that there will be a big body-bag outcome for the US. The force balance
is so overwhelmingly one-way, and most Iraqis really don't want the
current Ba'athist government. A lot of
Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, but many offices don't allow handguns inside, even if locked in a
case or backpack.
If people feel the risk is high enough, they could carry concealed.
The number of non-governmental places which require staff to go
a metal detector is miniscule.
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 04:14 PM, Eric Cordian wrote:
Tim Wrote:
With no chance for evacuation, and with a one-fifth of a mile high
building toppling sideways, fatalities might have reached 30,000 or
more.
I'm not a structural engineer, but given that lateral structural
strength
is
Has anyone heard any more about the announcement made by the NJ gov that if
we go to the next level -- red -- that everyone is confined to their houses?
--
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We are now in America's Darkest Hour.
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Tim May wrote:
I think the nearly perfectly vertical collapse of the WTC towers was
because of the pancaking of each floor into the floors below, as shown
in the videos. Whether removal of one support triggers pancaking or
toppling is more complicated than the blocks
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 03:46:37AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
www.seagold.net aka sealand.seagold.net and www.thegoldcasino.com both
answer tracerts,
and seem to be on 217.64.35, which claims to be on Sealand.
FWIW I can get to them just fine, both from my *nix server and inside
my employer's
At 07:45 AM 03/20/2003 +, an anonymous write wrote to cypherpunks:
Has anyone noticed all the sites hosted at havenco (www.seagold.net, i
www.thegoldcasino.com, lists.havenco.com) seem to be down? Is this
suspiciously due to the war in iraq, or just routine outage?
www.seagold.net aka
A collector recently tried to sell it to a museum,
and the FBI ran a sting to seize it using a civil seizure warrant,
Now the question is, will they hunt down all originals and burn
them, then claim they never existed, and all other copies have
been crafted by terrorist friendly freedom hating
I've heard that for terror alert black we're all supposed to down a few 100
milligrams of valium, and stay in our beds, butts-up.
That's terror alert Brown.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Trei, Peter wrote:
There are other factors that the Turks have on their minds, aside from
the US and NATO. Turkey is anxious to join the European Union, and
has been cleaning up its human rights act to gain acceptance.
Turkey recently lifted martial law in the Kurdish
On Thursday, March 20, 2003, Peter came up with this...
TP Except when it happens - remember that within hours of the WTC attack,
TP all the bridges and tunnels to Manhattan were closed to private cars *in
TP both directions*, and remained that way for several days. I'm sure that
TP some of the
--- Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19
Mar 2003, Tim May wrote:
I think the nearly perfectly vertical collapse of
the WTC towers was
because of the pancaking of each floor into the
floors below, as shown
in the videos. Whether removal of one support
triggers pancaking
Give them some time will you? Rome wasn't built in a day.
--Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---
+ ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\
\|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\
--*--:Instead of
Quoting Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Interesting point of observation: According to our laws, approving of a
crime is a crime (with some more accurate specifications but I am not a
stinkin' lawyer). According to international law, the recent Shrubya's
desert adventure is quite likely a
The Judge Advocate's Handbook For Litigating National Security
Cases: Prosecuting, Defending and Adjudicating National
Security Cases, Office of the Judge Advocate General,
Department of the Navy, 2002:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/jaghandbook.pdf
At 02:36 PM 3/20/03 +, Ken Brown wrote:
Despite what Eric Cordian and others have said here, I think it
unlikely
that there will be a big body-bag outcome for the US. The force balance
is so overwhelmingly one-way, and most Iraqis really don't want the
current Ba'athist government. A lot of
Quoting Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What bullshit. You just suck right up to those war criminals don't you?
Do you work for them too?
No, I just refuse to allow lies to go unchallenged by a bunch of bloodthirsty
peaceniks who want to see US troops gassed, shot, blown-up, or nuked.
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Subject: Libertarian statement on Iraq invasion
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:38:51 -0500
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:01:33 -0800 (PST)
From: DC Statehood Green Party [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GREEN PARTY RELEASE Bush, launcing attack, is now indictable on
war crimes charges
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THE GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES
MEDIA RELEASE
For immediate release:
Thursday, March
hi,
how long does US analysts expect iraq to be completely
occupied by US and allied troops?
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Stuart writes:
War has been declared against Iraq by the US President George Bush.
Initial air strikes have been launched on Baghdad, which the US said
were targeted at senior Iraqi leaders. British forces have not yet
been involved and the order to begin a ground war has not been given.
May
Tim Wrote:
With no chance for evacuation, and with a one-fifth of a mile high
building toppling sideways, fatalities might have reached 30,000 or
more.
I'm not a structural engineer, but given that lateral structural strength
is likely only a fraction of vertical structural strength, it
It was held back because of one of the terrorist events which that other
actor, Tyler Durden, tells us don't happen here in America.
Well, I wasn't EXACTLY trying to claim there's actually no terrorism here in
the US (aside from our exportation of it, that is). BUT, the low numbers do
bare
I've heard that for terror alert black we're all supposed to down a few 100
milligrams of valium, and stay in our beds, butts-up.
For hidden weapons inspections, of course.
-TD
From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: terror alert red
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003
Good work, Shaddack. Gold star and smiley face.
My father has mentioned the Texas City incident a few times while growing up
(he grew up in Galveston). He remembers that it basically dissappeared in a
giant fireball, and there was never an explanation.
So of course I'l send him these links.
--
On 19 Mar 2003 at 14:53, Tyler Durden wrote:
I agree the above would be bullshit if it weren't on some
occasions demonstrably true. After the US helped get the
Taliban rolling (through providing them with stingers and
other weapons as well as subversive opps training to knock
out
Libertarians are people who think the only legitimate use of state force
is to protect them from their slaves.
It is unlikely that people who don't oppose the death penalty, nor the
right of parents to beat their minor children at will, will care
particularly about Shrub kicking the crap out of
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