If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Tim May
Hollywood Preaches Anti-Piracy to Schools Thu Oct 23, 3:09 PM ET By RON HARRIS, Associated Press Writer SAN FRANCISCO - As part of its campaign to thwart online music and movie piracy, Hollywood is now reaching into school classrooms with a program that denounces file-sharing and offers

New info on Palladium

2003-10-24 Thread Anonymous
For some updated news about NGSCB, aka Palladium, go to the Microsoft NGSCB newsgroup page at http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=ngscbslcid=us. This might be a good forum for cypherpunks to ask questions about Palladium. There was a particularly informative posting by

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Steve Wollkind
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 24 October 2003 10:14, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:43:22PM -0700, Tim May wrote: TM: the last two paragraphs were of course added by me. But the point is still valid, that much of Hollywood's claims about illegal

Certicom Sells Licensing Rights to NSA

2003-10-24 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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Support the Bush-Orwell '04 campaign!

2003-10-24 Thread Sunder
http://www.cafeshops.com/grandoldparty/76732 --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ --*--:weapons.. Reasons for

RE: Support the Bush-Orwell '04 campaign!

2003-10-24 Thread Trei, Peter
From: Sunder[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Support the Bush-Orwell '04 campaign! http://www.cafeshops.com/grandoldparty/76732 Cute, but actually putting George Orwell on the ticket would actually be a very nice counterbalance to Ashcroft, etal (or course, he's dead, and

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:43 AM 10/24/03 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: At 06:28 AM 10/24/2003 -0400, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: The problem with the central premise, of course, is that without some Big (Brother) Central Server, there's just no way to track simultaneous usage, so there's no way to assure that the number of

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Cael Abal
What *is* a library? 1. A library is legal. A library needn't be licensed by any state entity. 2. Thus, I can declare my computer a library. The only requirement is that I own a license to what I lend, and that only 1 user exercise that license at a time. That is what a library is. An

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Steve Schear
At 03:00 PM 10/24/2003 -0400, Cael Abal wrote: What *is* a library? 1. A library is legal. A library needn't be licensed by any state entity. 2. Thus, I can declare my computer a library. The only requirement is that I own a license to what I lend, and that only 1 user exercise that license at a

Re: [mnet-devel] DOS in DHTs (fwd from amichrisde@yahoo.de)

2003-10-24 Thread Steve Furlong
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 00:43, Morlock Elloi wrote: There are precedents. In Franko's Spain, all typewriters had to be registered with the state, and all had serial numbers. It was illegal and punishable to possess one without license. What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread BillyGOTO
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:14:03PM -0400, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Major Variola writes: What *is* a library? 1. A library is legal. A library needn't be licensed by any state entity. 2. Thus, I can declare my computer a library. The only requirement is that I own a license to

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Tim May
On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 08:14 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:43:22PM -0700, Tim May wrote: TM: the last two paragraphs were of course added by me. But the point is still valid, that much of Hollywood's claims about illegal listening are not really any different from

If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win

2003-10-24 Thread Tim May
I predict we'll soon be seeing a new thought control campaign with this theme, that if you use encryption, you help the terrorists win. Similar to the heavy advertising (paid for by Big Brother, and hence by money stolen from taxpayers) with the theme that lighting up a doobie helps Osama,

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Tim May
On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 02:04 PM, BillyGOTO wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:14:03PM -0400, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Major Variola writes: What *is* a library? 1. A library is legal. A library needn't be licensed by any state entity. 2. Thus, I can declare my computer a library. The

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:43:22PM -0700, Tim May wrote: TM: the last two paragraphs were of course added by me. But the point is still valid, that much of Hollywood's claims about illegal listening are not really any different from reading without buying books and magazines in libraries. The

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Steve Schear writes: Why not have each individual's PC which offered to lend do the accounting. This means their PC must be on-line whenever someone who didn't pay wants to listen, limiting the number of copies available, but it could be fully decentralized. You'd have to piggyback this

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:28 AM 10/24/2003 -0400, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Someone else must have thought up this idea, but I don't recall seeing it. Please inform me nicely if you have seen it proposed before. This sounds a lot like the SunnComm DRM system that got so much publicity recently. (the one that

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On Friday 24 October 2003 02:46, Steve Schear wrote: Why couldn't this be applied on-line to music. Under current fair use provisions readers and listeners who have purchased a work are allowed to lend it out freely. Surely the number of people who want to read or listen to a work are much

Re: If you didn't pay for it, you've stolen it!

2003-10-24 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Major Variola writes: What *is* a library? 1. A library is legal. A library needn't be licensed by any state entity. 2. Thus, I can declare my computer a library. The only requirement is that I own a license to what I lend, and that only 1 user exercise that license at a time. That