At 06:27 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx
where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism?
I hate to break the news to you Major, but GPS enabled phones cannot be
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Of course disabling your GPS unit will not prevent the fascists from
doing triangulation with signal strength, ie the alternative (and
cheaper
and less precise alternative). That's merely physics and
geometry. To counter that, you need to
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx
where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism?
snip
Do any models let YOU decide to send your location to ANOTHER
phone?
Mine, an Samsung I330 PDA/Phone (actually a
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 07:21 AM 6/26/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/technology/26ALIB.html?th=pagewanted=printposition=
The New York Times
June 26, 2004
For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi
By MATT RICHTEL
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At 09:25 PM 6/26/04 -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
I wrote:
It would be hard to verify/test that you had in fact cut the
correct
trace,
and it would depend on the phone, and you would void your
warrantee.
Firmware hacks are of course the free man's last refuge.
Of course
At 06:38 AM 6/27/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
If the phone is shielded, it can't transmit/receive, which makes it
rather
useless. :(
When you don't want to use it, why should it not be useless?
There is one potential landmine as well; the inherent ability of any
device containing resonators
At 02:02 AM 6/27/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Can it be disabled by hardware hack of the phone, a mikropower jammer,
or using an unofficial firmware?
I wrote:
It would be hard to verify/test that you had in fact cut the correct
trace,
and it would depend on the phone, and you would
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
a mikropower jammer,
Only if you are willing to forego the phone as well, in which case, just
remove the battery pack :-)
I am assuming here that the phone has a dual receiver, one of the GPS
signal and one of the cellular service itself. As both
At 02:02 AM 6/27/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Can it be disabled by hardware hack of the phone, a mikropower jammer,
or
using an unofficial firmware?
It would be hard to verify/test that you had in fact cut the correct
trace,
and it would depend on the phone, and you would void your
At 11:53 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Yes, I suppose that the more technical amongst us could selctively jam
only the one signal, however, cellular phones are mighty low power
devices,
They can put half (?) a watt out, some of it absorbed by your brain
and hand BTW.
and I would not
At 01:53 AM 6/25/2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:
The transcription rules for furriner names are strict, too.
No Phn'glui M'gl wna'f, Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgha Nagl Ftaghn for you.
Just as well. They'd probably make you fill the form out in triplicate,
and that could be unwise
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Go for the head shot, they're wearing body armor
If at close range, it is far easier to simply throw water at them prior
to
firing. For one, the water acts as apowerful lubricant, effectively
removing the armor,
huh? Wet kevlar is still
J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interestingly, some [early] models had external antenna jacks built in to
them.
Many still have test jacks on them. Both my old Samsung A500 and my
current Sanyo SCP-8100 have a connector (either MC or SMA, IIRC) on the
back hidden under a rubber plug.
At 07:21 AM 6/26/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/technology/26ALIB.html?th=pagewanted=printposition=
The New York Times
June 26, 2004
For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi
By MATT RICHTEL
Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone
At 01:53 AM 6/25/2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:
The transcription rules for furriner names are strict, too.
No Phn'glui M'gl wna'f, Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgha Nagl Ftaghn for you.
Just as well. They'd probably make you fill the form out in triplicate,
In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits knitting? I
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 11:56 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Hrmmm... Cell Phone. TEMPEST Case.
What's wrong with this picture???
1. You can't receive calls. Only make outgoing, from a location
which is known to fascists.
Let's try again. TEMPEST
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/technology/26ALIB.html?th=pagewanted=printposition=
The New York Times
June 26, 2004
For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi
By MATT RICHTEL
AN FRANCISCO, June 25 - Cellphones are chock-full of features like built-in
cameras, personalized ring tones
At 07:04 AM 6/27/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Yes, I suppose that the more technical amongst us could selctively
jam
only the one signal, however, cellular phones are mighty low power
devices, and I would not hazard a guess as to whether it would
Gaelic looks like 7-ASCII-bit line noise to me. A Gaelic name could be
created
which clueless fascists would assume the spelling of, but the
correct spelling would be fairly far (in some linguistic Hamming metric)
from the assumed spelling. How do you spell John Smith in Gaelic?
Just a
At 12:41 AM 6/27/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 11:56 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Hrmmm... Cell Phone. TEMPEST Case.
What's wrong with this picture???
1. You can't receive calls. Only make outgoing, from a location
which
At 11:56 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Hrmmm... Cell Phone. TEMPEST Case.
What's wrong with this picture???
1. You can't receive calls. Only make outgoing, from a location
which is known to fascists.
2. Use it for your toll-road-transponder too.
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx
where they are. [...] The marketing reason would be to help people
find others geographically.
At least with GSM, the base station always knows the approximate
distance to the
J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You assume that Jane's only problem is equipment procurement. Alas,
Jane's biggest problem has not changed much in the last 100 years:
knowledge. Jane doesn't know this is an issue that she might need help
with.
People who don't know they need such
Just for the record, after writing that last missive, which reflects an
experience almost 25 years old, I did some quick googling on current body
armor.
My experience *probably* does not hold with the latest (post 1999) fiber
systems. But I still wouldn't bet my life on it.
--
Yours,
J.A.
At 12:01 AM 6/27/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Interestingly, some [early] models had external antenna jacks built in
to
them.
Again I am a few Moore's generations behind. (Does that make me a
semi-Amish atheist?
Or a reformed Luddite?) Where I vacation sometimes, I would
need a metallized
Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jamming GPS is no problem, but then they'll just triangulate you within the
cell. The only way to prevent that would be to switch off, andn to pull the
battery (unless the firmware is open source, and peer-reviewed).
A little poking around on google reveals
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx
where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism?
I hate to break the news to you Major, but GPS enabled phones cannot be
instructed to turn off the GPS feature for law
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At 12:25 AM 6/27/04 -0500, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
Triangluating on a non-isotropic antenna should be quite a bit
harder...
Bingo. Watch your sidelobes, baby.
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 10:46:53PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 12:25 AM 6/27/04 -0500, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
Triangluating on a non-isotropic antenna should be quite a bit
harder...
Bingo. Watch your sidelobes, baby.
Triangulation by signal strength is one thing, triangulation by
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
I'm fully aware the pigs track you unless the battery is removed or you
have a TEMPEST case. I'm suggesting that regular citizens will have
access to that, if (in my cluelessness) they don't already.
If the phone is shielded, it can't
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx
where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism?
I hate to break the news to you Major, but GPS enabled phones cannot be
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
a mikropower jammer,
Only if you are willing to forego the phone as well, in which case, just
remove the battery pack :-)
I am assuming here that the phone has a dual receiver, one of the GPS
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:
Triangulation by signal strength is one thing, triangulation by relativistic
ToF (time of flight) -- while still not present in consumer gadgets -- is far
more difficult to fool. Especially if it's tied into the protocol, that
you're getting position
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 02:02:24AM +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Can it be disabled by hardware hack of the phone, a mikropower jammer, or
using an unofficial firmware?
Jamming GPS is no problem, but then they'll just triangulate you within the
cell. The only way to prevent that would be to
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interestingly, some [early] models had external antenna jacks built in to
them.
Many still have test jacks on them. Both my old Samsung A500 and my
current Sanyo SCP-8100 have a connector (either MC or
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