Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-15 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 11:14:18AM -0800, Tim May wrote: You really need to get up to speed on this issue if you think either the nations of Europe or Canada are more tolerant of crypto than the U.S. is. The archives have much material, findable with Google in most cases. Tim is right.

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-15 Thread David Wagner
Declan McCullagh wrote: Also epic.org (not a cypherpunk-friendly organization, but it does try to limit law enforcement surveillance) [...] Is the cypherpunks movement truly so radicalized that it is not willing to count even EPIC among its friends?

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-15 Thread Anonymous
On 15 Dec 2002, David Wagner wrote: Declan McCullagh wrote: Also epic.org (not a cypherpunk-friendly organization, but it does try to limit law enforcement surveillance) [...] Is the cypherpunks movement truly so radicalized that it is not willing to count even EPIC among its friends?

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-10 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the other end of the rope to a fast car. That would give a new meaning to drawn and quartered. There's a lot of bureaucrats who need that performed on them. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-10 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Lucky Green wrote: James A. Donald wrote: In general wars lead to a major temporary reduction in liberty, but a smaller permanent reduction in liberty. Unfortunately the war on terror will probably never end, so there will be no recovery. I heard

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 9 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Tim May wrote: Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an enemy combatant and vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment, and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had at one time. So far this has only been applied to people who are

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Anonymous
Tyler Durden said: In a way, the potential and impending truth of Tim May's statement is for a me a motivator to continue to promote strong crypto, ubiquitous Wi-Fi, BlackNet, and so on. Hopefully it won't come down to the above. It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:56 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a horse, and a rope. Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:55 AM, James A. Donald wrote: So far this has only been applied to people who are obviously hostile muslim terrorist wannabees, but the program will be steadily expanded. Indeed, part of the homeland security act already aims at people who make cartridges

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: In a state where Crypto is not resisted (OK, there probably aren't a lot of these...perhaps in Europe or Canada?), Crypto defaults to the above. You really need to get up to speed on this issue if you think either the nations of

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-08 Thread Mike Rosing
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a horse, and a rope. There aren't enough horses :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-08 Thread Mark Renouf
jet wrote: At 20:48 -0500 2002/12/07, Myers W. Carpenter wrote: http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1441 PHOTOGRAPHER ARRESTED FOR TAKING PICTURES OF VICE PRESIDENT'S HOTEL Posted 5 Dec 2002 06:03:48 UTC One major issue is these days, the laws have become so incredibly