Re: dangers of TCPA/palladium

2002-08-12 Thread Ben Laurie
David Wagner wrote: Ben Laurie wrote: Mike Rosing wrote: The purpose of TCPA as spec'ed is to remove my control and make the platform trusted to one entity. That entity has the master key to the TPM. Now, if the spec says I can install my own key into the TPM, then yes, it is a very useful

Re: dangers of TCPA/palladium

2002-08-12 Thread AARG! Anonymous
Mike Rosing wrote: The difference is fundamental: I can change every bit of flash in my BIOS. I can not change *anything* in the TPM. *I* control my BIOS. IF, and only IF, I can control the TPM will I trust it to extend my trust to others. The purpose of TCPA as spec'ed is to remove my

Re: dangers of TCPA/palladium

2002-08-11 Thread Mike Rosing
On 11 Aug 2002, David Wagner wrote: Ben Laurie wrote: Mike Rosing wrote: The purpose of TCPA as spec'ed is to remove my control and make the platform trusted to one entity. That entity has the master key to the TPM. Now, if the spec says I can install my own key into the TPM, then

Re: dangers of TCPA/palladium

2002-08-11 Thread Ben Laurie
Mike Rosing wrote: Why exactly is this so much more of a threat than, say, flash BIOS upgrades? The BIOS has a lot more power over your machine than the TPM does. The difference is fundamental: I can change every bit of flash in my BIOS. I can not change *anything* in the TPM. *I* control

Re: dangers of TCPA/palladium

2002-08-11 Thread Ben Laurie
AARG!Anonymous wrote: Adam Back writes: - Palladium is a proposed OS feature-set based on the TCPA hardware (Microsoft) Actually there seem to be some hardware differences between TCPA and Palladium. TCPA relies on a TPM, while Palladium uses some kind of new CPU mode. Palladium

TCPA/Palladium -- likely future implications (Re: dangers of TCPA/palladium)

2002-08-09 Thread Adam Back
On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 09:15:33PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: Back in the Clipper days [...] how do we know that this tamper-resistant chip produced by Mykotronix even implements the Clipper spec correctly?. The picture is related but has some extra wrinkles with the TCPA/Palladium

Re: dangers of TCPA/palladium

2002-08-08 Thread R. Hirschfeld
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:25:26 -0700 From: AARG!Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only way that TCPA will become as popular as you fear is if it really solves problems for people. Otherwise nobody will pay the extra $25 to put it in their machine. Although I support the