Mr Donald wrote...
A claim that presupposes that the west is just as totalitarian
as its enemies, that well known reality is not to be trusted,
that newsmen and historians are servants of the vast capitalist
conspiracy, so in place of obvious truths, we can substitute
any ridiculous fantasy that
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 21:10 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
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James A. Donald:
Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend
tyranny and slavery.
Roy M. Silvernail
Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given
violent conflict. The winner gets to use the
--
James A. Donald:
Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend
tyranny and slavery.
Roy M. Silvernail
Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given
violent conflict. The winner gets to use the victory to
proclaim the correctness of their interpretation.
A
At 9:10 PM -0700 10/26/04, James A. Donald wrote:
fantasy that the US attacked Korea, and
attacked to impose poverty on Koreans so that the US can be
rich,
This is actually the running fantasy in Marxism since the 1950's, when it
turned out that that, instead of the workers eating the bourgeoisie
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 21:10 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
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James A. Donald:
Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend
tyranny and slavery.
Roy M. Silvernail
Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any
From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Oct 27, 2004 9:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is actually the running fantasy in Marxism since the 1950's, when it
turned out that that, instead of the workers eating
--
R.A. Hettinga
This is actually the running fantasy in Marxism since the
1950's, when it turned out that that, instead of the
workers eating the bourgeoisie by the firelight or some
Glorious Revolution or another, would instead be come
bourgeoisie themselves.
John Kelsey
I think
John Kelsey wrote...
The irony is that the neocons seemed to be trying to build up a kind of
mass movement mentality in the US, which clearly has caught George Bush
and his top advisors--this wonderful notion that we're going to go out and
civilize these heathens, bring them democracy and free
--
On 27 Oct 2004 at 9:55, Tyler Durden wrote:
There are plenty of counter-examples to the benefits of US
interventionism, particularly throughout central America.
We saw that when the Soviet Union fell, the US lost interest in
central America, and peace and democracy broke out in central
the more they will reject both us as well
as whatever we're trying to give 'em.
-TD
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:39 -0700
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R.A. Hettinga
This is actually the running
At 10:41 AM -0700 10/27/04, James A. Donald wrote:
What worked in Afghanistan was to find some local warlord we
could live with, someone in no hurry to get his six pack of
virgins, someone who might want to put sacks over the heads of
the women of his town, but had no grandiose ambitions to stuff
--
James A. Donald:
The remaining communists have made some psychological
recovery - see for example Tyler Durden's peculiar version
of recent history, where in his universe the communists
actually won and are still winning,
Tyler Durden
Again, you live in a world that's evenly
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Subject: Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:59:56 -0700
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J.A. Terranson:
So if I was to go out tomorrow and spread 2000 curies of
Ci into the local subway system As payback for Ruby
Ridge, this would not be an act of terrorism?
James
--
On 25 Oct 2004 at 21:03, Tyler Durden wrote:
The point is this: Almost and side in this world that has
committed or commits atrocities can find a true-believing
apolegist.
Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny
and slavery.
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James A. Donald
Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny
and slavery.
Exactly.
-TD
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At 6:23 PM -0400 10/26/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent
conflict. The winner gets to use the victory to proclaim the
correctness of their interpretation. When the conflict is of a historic
scale, the loser is often too dead to
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 14:19 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny
and slavery.
Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent
conflict. The winner gets to use the victory to proclaim the
correctness of their
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 18:38 -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
At 6:23 PM -0400 10/26/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent
conflict. The winner gets to use the victory to proclaim the
correctness of their interpretation. When the conflict
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald:
McViegh did not target innocents. Bin Laden did target
innocents.
Roy M. Silvernail
I'm confused. Is Mr. Donald saying McVeigh did not surveil
his target sufficiently to know that there was a day care
center in the
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald:
Bin Laden's intent was to make anyone in America afraid -
thus the use of airliners, rather than truck bombs.
McViegh's intent was to make BATF afraid.
J.A. Terranson:
This is idiotic. You're claiming that the definition
--
James A. Donald:
Bin Laden's intent was to make anyone in America afraid -
thus the use of airliners, rather than truck bombs.
McViegh's intent was to make BATF afraid.
J.A. Terranson:
This is idiotic. You're claiming that the definition of
terrorist is dependent not on the
--
James A. Donald:
McViegh did not target innocents. Bin Laden did target
innocents.
Roy M. Silvernail
I'm confused. Is Mr. Donald saying McVeigh did not surveil
his target sufficiently to know that there was a day care
center in the damage pattern?
Bin Laden's intent was to
--
J.A. Terranson:
So if I was to go out tomorrow and spread 2000 curies of
Ci into the local subway system As payback for Ruby
Ridge, this would not be an act of terrorism?
James A. Donald:
That would be terrorism, because regardless of what you
*said* your intent was, you would
--
On 23 Oct 2004 at 22:58, Adam wrote:
I am curious, Mr. Donald, how exactly you define the word
terrorist. I request that your definition be generic; i.e.
not a definition like anyone who attacks the US.On 23 Oct
2004 at 22:58, Adam wrote: I am curious, Mr. Donald, how
exactly you
I am curious, Mr. Donald, how exactly you define the word terrorist. I
request that your definition be generic; i.e. not a definition like
anyone who attacks the US.
I'd be willing to bet that you cannot provide a clear generic definition
of terrorist. Moreover, I can guarantee that you cannot
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
McViegh did not target innocents. Bin Laden did target
innocents.
I'm confused.
So is Mr. Donald.
Is Mr. Donald saying McVeigh did not surveil his target
sufficiently to know that there was a day care center in the damage
pattern? Or is
On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 03:43 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
McViegh did not target innocents. Bin Laden did target
innocents.
I'm confused. Is Mr. Donald saying McVeigh did not surveil his target
sufficiently to know that there was a day care center in the damage
pattern? Or is he saying it
--
On 22 Oct 2004 at 21:08, Tyler Durden wrote:
Taiwan is a particularly odd example...it definitely has
started forming a modern economy, but then again it had many
decades of oppression. It also had swiped billions upon
billions of dollars of gold and other substances that backed
the
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Oct 19, 2004 10:23 AM
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Subject: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)
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In developing markets the US track record is terrible. The more we interfere
and set up puppet governments and petty
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:59:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Oct 19, 2004 10:23 AM
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Subject: US
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On 19 Oct 2004 at 10:23, Tyler Durden wrote:
Most Cypherpunks would agree that free markets are a good
thing. Basically, if you leave people alone, they'll figure
out how to meet the needs that are out in there and, in the
process, get a few of the goodies available to us as vapors
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