Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 03:23 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: At 01:50 PM 03/20/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: The other one we hear is You should be ashamed which brings a chorus of No, we're proud or Have you forgotten about Sept. 11th? We did have some older fellow stopped at the

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread John Kelsey
At 02:03 PM 3/20/03 +, Ken Brown wrote: Of all the places in the world you ought not to go if you want to not be shot at, a war with 8 sides (Residual Lebanese govt. vs Palestinians vs. Israel vs Islamist Shia militias vs. non-Islamist Shia militias vs. Sunni militias vs Maronite militias vs

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Tim Meehan wrote: Vancouver is nice, but the economy sucks (except if you're growing). Toronto has an okay economy but too many yuppies and climbers (and crappy pot). Montreal is the best, but you're better off if you speak Freedom -- and like hash. Yeah, I can speak

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-21 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 07:52:30PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Given that their platform, and Ralph Nader, calls for 90% tax rates for those with excessive wealth or income, they're far more statist than anyone else out there. Yep -- their platform is extreme. Like I said, I'm not a GP voter. As

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-21 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 07:32 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: Eric's statement was hyperbole, designed to provoke. My own view is that the Libertarian Party is being unfortunately wishy-washy when it comes to the war on Iraq. It correctly said that troops should not be blamed for

Re: Fwd: Informer alert: War begins in Iraq

2003-03-21 Thread Ken Brown
Harmon Seaver wrote: What sort of dictatorship is this where the people own automatic weapons freely? Shades of Switzerland! Soviet Armenia? When they fell out with the Azeris they got their scratch army together in /days/ According to the Russian news they used hunting rifles. I'd been

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 03:23:19PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 01:50 PM 03/20/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: The other one we hear is You should be ashamed which brings a chorus of No, we're proud or Have you forgotten about Sept. 11th? We did have some older fellow stopped at

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Frantz
At 7:28 PM -0800 3/20/03, Tim May wrote: Shrubya doesn't care, as he just raises taxes. (Or he squawks and whines as Congress raises taxes, same difference.) Tim - I don't think the cowboy (aka Shrubya) knows enough economics to realize that, in the long term, income and expenditure must be in

Re: Fwd: Informer alert: War begins in Iraq

2003-03-21 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 12:40:52PM +, Ken Brown wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: What sort of dictatorship is this where the people own automatic weapons freely? Shades of Switzerland! Soviet Armenia? When they fell out with the Azeris they got their scratch army together in /days/

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Bill Frantz wrote: One view of the war in Iraq is that it is to assure an oil supply so we can take on Saudi Arabia, home of three quarters of the 911 hijackers. Makes sense, use Saudia Arabia as a land base to take over Iraq, then use Iraq as a land base to take over

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread R. A. Hettinga
Greetings traitors, :-). At 7:28 PM -0800 on 3/20/03, Tim May wrote: In fact, Turkey is shaking down the U.S. for $30 billion in grants and aid and loan guarantees. Nope. See Below. Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text Status: RO Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:32:42 -0500 To: Philodox

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:57 AM 03/20/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Good work, Shaddack. Gold star and smiley face. My father has mentioned the Texas City incident a few times while growing up (he grew up in Galveston). He remembers that it basically dissappeared in a giant fireball, and there was never an

BlackNet abuzz over Iraq showdown

2003-03-21 Thread Declan McCullagh
Mildly amusing because of the name, if nothing else: http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030318-071102-9001r -Declan

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Tim Meehan wrote: Bill Stewart said: Then there's the old America: Love it or Leave it line, from folks who got really really upset when people _did_ leave it to avoid Selective Slavery during the Vietnam Police Action. Some yahoo from Kansas has been flaming me with

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Frantz
At 7:52 PM -0800 3/20/03, Tim May wrote:But the imperial power goes after the skinny kid it knows it can beat up, not the greater threats in the region (and in the world). Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iraq again. But not North Korea, not China, not Saudi Arabia, not Russia, not

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread John Kelsey
At 03:49 AM 3/20/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: ... While over 70% of local citizens are against it (caveat: I am not closely familiar with the polling method, but no one of my local friends is supporting Shrubya's pet war). Your sample is probably seriously biased, though. My friends and

RE: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
Tim - I don't think the cowboy (aka Shrubya) knows enough economics to realize that, in the long term, income and expenditure must be in some kind of rough balance. He's always been able to lean on daddy's money. I'm wondering whether the successive US administrations are not increasingly

Nice comic-commentray on DieselSweeties yesterday

2003-03-21 Thread Sunder
http://www.dieselsweeties.com/archive.php?s=644 --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:Instead of

Tragedy and Evolution

2003-03-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:24 AM 3/21/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: May thousands of AmeriKKKan troops die painfully, along with their handlers on the East Coast, as a deterrent to future illegal wars of aggression. This was the part I had to think about the most. Right now, my feeling is that it would be a tragedy

Re: terror alert red

2003-03-21 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:31:59 -0600, you wrote: Has anyone heard any more about the announcement made by the NJ gov that if we go to the next level -- red -- that everyone is confined to their houses? Nope, but it's not surprising since there was NO announcement by the NJ gov that red

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 05:41:08PM -0600, Anonymous wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 01:42:16PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: What bullshit. You just suck right up to those war criminals don't you? Do you work for them too? On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:18:09AM -0600, Keith Ray

Re: The Mechanics of Skyscraper Collapse

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 02:04 PM 03/20/2003 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: This seems reasonable. As a large structure topples, the sheer stress across the long axis of the building will inexorably increase as the upper floors retard the downward progression of the lower floors (caused of course by gravity). I suspect

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 01:50 PM 03/20/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: The other one we hear is You should be ashamed which brings a chorus of No, we're proud or Have you forgotten about Sept. 11th? We did have some older fellow stopped at the redlight ranting about us needing to go back to Russia, which was

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Tim Meehan
Mike Rosing said: Given how Vancouver is going now, that might have been a nice restful place :-) Vancouver is nice, but the economy sucks (except if you're growing). Toronto has an okay economy but too many yuppies and climbers (and crappy pot). Montreal is the best, but you're better off if

Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-21 Thread Anonymous
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 01:42:16PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: What bullshit. You just suck right up to those war criminals don't you? Do you work for them too? On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:18:09AM -0600, Keith Ray wrote: argument elided Nicely argued, Mr. Seaver. I've never seen

Re: Tragedy and Evolution

2003-03-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: It would be a pain for their families and worse for their insurers, certainly, but think of the evolutionary benefits to mankind. You remove folks who *voluntarily* gave up moral control of their bodies to an unjust, cruel regime. Such

Re: terror alert red

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:00 PM 03/21/2003 +, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: Surely you don't think some press announcement by a governor is sufficient to place millions of people under house arrest without due process, indictment, arraignment, etc. My memories of the 1968 riots are pretty fuzzy; Wilmington

Re: Spending a billion dollars an hour produces a hell of a light show!

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:10 AM 03/21/2003 -0800, alan wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: Come on now! The Iraqis should have proven that they DON'T have any nukular weapons. They were unable to prove that they don't have any WMDs, so now it's their fault they're getting invaded. How do you prove

Re: Spending a billion dollars an hour produces a hell of a lightshow!

2003-03-21 Thread alan
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: As the Iraqis themselves said, and I paraphrase (because the quote is not handy): If the U.S. says they know the locations of secret weapons projects, of underground bunkers, etc., why don't they simply give the locations to the U.N. weapons

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: While I wish Mike were correct that the party would get some spine just because we tell them to, I'm not holding my breath. I was expecting better from Geoff. The LP's traditional heritage was pretty radical about issues like the draft (we opposed

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Stewart
While I wish Mike were correct that the party would get some spine just because we tell them to, I'm not holding my breath. I was expecting better from Geoff. The LP's traditional heritage was pretty radical about issues like the draft (we opposed it) and drugs (got any good pot?) and about free

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- The Taliban did not exist back then. The guys the US aided were for the most part, the guys that are running Afghanistan now. The major recipients of US aid, for example the lion of Afghanistan were the people the Taliban murdered. On 20 Mar 2003 at 8:16, Mike Rosing wrote:

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-21 Thread Eric Cordian
Declan writes: Eric's statement was hyperbole, designed to provoke. My own view is that the Libertarian Party is being unfortunately wishy-washy when it comes to the war on Iraq. We've had this discussion many times before on this list. People who know nothing about Libertarians see a word

Re: When is iraq expected to fall.

2003-03-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 19 Mar 2003 at 22:55, Sarad AV wrote: how long does US analysts expect iraq to be completely occupied by US and allied troops? No definite plans, but Rumsfeld is thinking of an occupation force of 75 000 for several years. Some want the kind of occupation where any time any Iraqi

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread John Kelsey
At 07:42 AM 3/20/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: ... The story you are telling is part of a big commie lie -- that the US aided the bigoted Taliban against the elightened communists who created a constitutional democracy where every man and every women have a vote, and universal education and

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-21 Thread Mike Rosing
I agree, and I'm including the LP on cc (which I didn't notice till I hit reply). Now that congress has voted to support the troops it's time for a revolution in the ballot box. If enough of us tell the LP to get some spine, they will! Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike On Thu, 20 Mar

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread Ken Brown
John Kelsey wrote: At 07:42 AM 3/20/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: ... The story you are telling is part of a big commie lie -- that the US aided the bigoted Taliban against the elightened communists who created a constitutional democracy where every man and every women have a vote, and

Re: Fwd: Informer alert: War begins in Iraq

2003-03-21 Thread Tyler Durden
I've been thinking about this post, and though I agreed with the general gist of it, there were some points I thought worth mentioning... May thousands of AmeriKKKan troops die painfully, along with their handlers on the East Coast, as a deterrent to future illegal wars of aggression. This

Re: The Mechanics of Skyscraper Collapse

2003-03-21 Thread Tyler Durden
And of course, we captured a set of skyscraper collapses towards the end of our documentary Fight Club. What suprised us was that the documentary continued to show on cable even several months after September 11th. -TD _ Tired of

Re: terror alert black

2003-03-21 Thread Tyler Durden
From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: terror alert black Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:26:15 +0100 (CET) I've heard that for terror alert black we're all supposed to down a few 100 milligrams of

Tragedy and Evolution: Revenge of the Nerds?

2003-03-21 Thread Tyler Durden
Variola wrote... It would be a pain for their families and worse for their insurers, certainly, but think of the evolutionary benefits to mankind. You remove folks who *voluntarily* gave up moral control of their bodies to an unjust, cruel regime. Such eagerness to be externally programmed