Re: brilliancy

2002-04-09 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:59 AM 04/08/2002 -0600, Anonymous wrote: Any attacker who can control 100,000 machines is a major force on the internet, while someone with a million or more is currently unstoppable: able to launch massively diffuse DDOS attacks, perform needle in a hayfield searches, and commit all sorts

Re: brilliancy

2002-04-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: Do you mean How hard would it be to crack into Brilliant Digital's servers before some other SKR1P7 K1DD13Z take it over? Or do you mean Is that easier than cracking into Microsoft or Adobe or M0Zilla or some other quasi-reputable company's

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech)

2002-04-09 Thread Adam Back
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 07:52:32PM -0700, Mike Rosing wrote: While I agree with goal, it's not clear to me that it's physically possible. What makes money useful is it's physical existance, people have been counterfiting coins since they were invented but it's been getting harder to do.

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech)

2002-04-09 Thread Anonymous
[Copied to Adam so he doesn't have to wait for some moderator to get off his fat ass and approve it. And BTW permission is NOT granted to forward this or any part of it to the DBS list because Hettinga is an asshole who kicks people off his list for spite. He can piss in his own sandbox if he

ID Citizenship Believe it or Nots

2002-04-09 Thread Duncan Frissell
Identification Citizenship Believe it or Nots by Duncan Frissell http://technoptimist.blogspot.com/?/2002_04_07_technoptimist_archive.html Last September's attack on the United States vastly increased debate on identification, citizenship, and immigration. For your education and amusement,

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-linetech)

2002-04-09 Thread Ben Laurie
Anonymous wrote: [Copied to Adam so he doesn't have to wait for some moderator to get off his fat ass and approve it. And BTW permission is NOT granted to forward this or any part of it to the DBS list because Hettinga is an asshole who kicks people off his list for spite. He can piss in

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech)

2002-04-09 Thread Ken Brown
Adam Back wrote: [...snip...] Another example would be having to give a deposit to get mobile phone for people with poor credit ratings. Also in Europe pay as you go, cash only mobile phone usage is popular due to credit elegibility reasons also I think. You can plunk down a 10 pound note

Burroughs' Revenge (was Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech))

2002-04-09 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:37 AM +0200 on 4/9/02, Some Anonymous Flatualist emitted the following bit of flammable gas out of an Austrian remailer somewhere: And BTW permission is NOT granted to forward this or any part of it to the DBS list because Hettinga is an asshole who kicks people off his list for spite.

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-linete ch)

2002-04-09 Thread georgemw
On 9 Apr 2002 at 14:40, Steve Furlong wrote: Trei, Peter wrote: US don't want dollar coins Just about a year ago, they tried again, with the 'Sacagawea' or 'Golden Dollar'. This is a very handsome coin, gold in color, but it was the same size as a SBA dollar (to fit the machines).

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech)

2002-04-09 Thread Anonymous
Ben Laurie wrote: Anonymous wrote: It's not just an extra feature; an off-line system inherently requires users to identify themselves to the bank at withdrawal time. It cannot allow users to anonymously exchange coins at the bank. So it has an inherent lack of anonymity which is not

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech)

2002-04-09 Thread georgemw
On 9 Apr 2002 at 16:54, Ken Brown wrote: But paper money is such a 20th-century thing! These days we're slowly drifting back to higher value metal coins (2 pounds out for a few years now, 5 pounds coming soon I think). Much more fun. Feels like real treasure! Less of the floppy stuff, we

RE: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech)

2002-04-09 Thread Jim Dixon
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: I was living in Britain (and of an allowance-recieving age) when decimalization occured. While we lost the big penny, we gained the 50p piece. In those days, it was a large, heavy, seven-sided coin, bigger than a US half-dollar, and worth $1.20. It

RE: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line te ch)

2002-04-09 Thread Trei, Peter
Jim Dixon[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: I was living in Britain (and of an allowance-recieving age) when decimalization occured. While we lost the big penny, we gained the 50p piece. In those days, it was a large, heavy, seven-sided coin,

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line te ch)

2002-04-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:54:40PM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: Putting RF Tags in cash is one of those ideas with Unintended Consequences. Muggers would love having a way of determining which victims are carrying a wad, as would many salesmen (and JBTs looking to perform a 'civil confiscation'

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech)

2002-04-09 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ken Brown wrote: I'd rather have stiff cards than floppy paper ones. At least you can put them into the slot of a machine easily. But with an RF tag you'd not even have to pull it out

Re: all about transferable off-line ecash (Re: Brands off-line tech)

2002-04-09 Thread A. Melon
Peter Trei writes: Speaking for myself and a few friends and relations, we'd be perfectly happy to use them, if they were available. A good place to get Sacagawea dollars is from the stamp machine at your local post office. Put in a $20 bill and buy as small an amount of stamps as you can,

Re: New breed spam filter slashes junk email

2002-04-09 Thread georgemw
On 9 Apr 2002 at 10:07, Steve Schear wrote: New breed spam filter slashes junk email 10:31 09 April 02 NewScientist.com news service A new breed of spam-filtering technology that combines peer-to-peer communications with machine learning could intercept nearly all unwanted email,

Re: Experiences Deploying a Large Scale Emergent Network (fwd)

2002-04-09 Thread Jim Choate
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 06:16:05 -0700 From: Zooko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: A. Melon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Experiences Deploying a Large Scale Emergent Network [This is in reply to a

Re: pre-paid/pay-as-you go cell phone service (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-09 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 12:47 AM 4/10/02 +0100, Adam Back wrote: But from what I saw it was around 4x more expensive. A SIM with a years contract (all paid up front) is pretty easy to obtain for 10 - 50 pounds depending on number of free minutes included. And some people even like anonymity. Yes other things

Re: Detectable cash notes a fantasy

2002-04-09 Thread Mike Rosing
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Tim May wrote: Physics-wise, it's a jiveass fantasy. No way are there micro-strips readable from a distance in today's currency, and very likely not in the next 20 years. (I don't dispute that a careful lab setup could maybe read a note at a few meters, in a