Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread Tyler Durden
Mr Donald wrote... A claim that presupposes that the west is just as totalitarian as its enemies, that well known reality is not to be trusted, that newsmen and historians are servants of the vast capitalist conspiracy, so in place of obvious truths, we can substitute any ridiculous fantasy that

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 21:10 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: -- James A. Donald: Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny and slavery. Roy M. Silvernail Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent conflict. The winner gets to use the

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny and slavery. Roy M. Silvernail Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent conflict. The winner gets to use the victory to proclaim the correctness of their interpretation. A

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 9:10 PM -0700 10/26/04, James A. Donald wrote: fantasy that the US attacked Korea, and attacked to impose poverty on Koreans so that the US can be rich, This is actually the running fantasy in Marxism since the 1950's, when it turned out that that, instead of the workers eating the bourgeoisie

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Access to http://www.georgewbush.com/ is blocked but from US IP address ^^^ Ooops, I mangled your report. Ugh. Emily Litella Never Mind... /EmilyLitella -- Yours, J.A.

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 12:11 PM +0200 10/27/04, Eugen Leitl wrote: Ha Ha Curious George. Just for fun, I bet the reason is economics. No need to have yew furriners hammerin' our http ports, 'cuz ya cain't vote, here, anyway. Okay. Except in Florida and Ohio. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:02:48AM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Access to http://www.georgewbush.com/ is blocked but from US IP address space. Works from 204.238.179.0/24. Of course it works. For you. It's US according to ip2location.com

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread alan
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 21:10 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: -- James A. Donald: Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny and slavery. Roy M. Silvernail Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any

Fwd: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread Chris Kuethe
meant to send this to the list too -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:56:45 -0600 Subject: Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world To: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:11:59 +0200, Eugen Leitl

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread John Kelsey
From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 27, 2004 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity) .. This is actually the running fantasy in Marxism since the 1950's, when it turned out that that, instead of the workers eating the

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread Jens Kubieziel
* Eugen Leitl schrieb am 2004-10-27 um 12:11 Uhr: Access to http://www.georgewbush.com/ is blocked but from US IP address space. ACK, tried it from various german ISPs. Ha Ha Curious George. Too much traffic from outside US? -- Jens Kubieziel

[FoRK] Google buys Keyhole (fwd from andrew@ceruleansystems.com)

2004-10-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from J. Andrew Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: J. Andrew Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:36:38 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FoRK] Google buys Keyhole X-Mailer: WebMail 1.25 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally. I've been sitting on this

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread James A. Donald
-- R.A. Hettinga This is actually the running fantasy in Marxism since the 1950's, when it turned out that that, instead of the workers eating the bourgeoisie by the firelight or some Glorious Revolution or another, would instead be come bourgeoisie themselves. John Kelsey I think

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: Access to http://www.georgewbush.com/ is blocked but from US IP address space. Works from 204.238.179.0/24. Where are your coming in from? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF An ill wind is stalking while evil

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread Tyler Durden
John Kelsey wrote... The irony is that the neocons seemed to be trying to build up a kind of mass movement mentality in the US, which clearly has caught George Bush and his top advisors--this wonderful notion that we're going to go out and civilize these heathens, bring them democracy and free

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 27 Oct 2004 at 9:55, Tyler Durden wrote: There are plenty of counter-examples to the benefits of US interventionism, particularly throughout central America. We saw that when the Soviet Union fell, the US lost interest in central America, and peace and democracy broke out in central

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread Tyler Durden
The remaining communists have made some psychological recovery - see for example Tyler Durden's peculiar version of recent history, where in his universe the communists actually won and are still winning, Again, you live in a world that's evenly divided between black and white. Since I'm not

Inadvertent Iraqi anarchocapitalism (Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity))

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 10:41 AM -0700 10/27/04, James A. Donald wrote: What worked in Afghanistan was to find some local warlord we could live with, someone in no hurry to get his six pack of virgins, someone who might want to put sacks over the heads of the women of his town, but had no grandiose ambitions to stuff

Re: Cyclotrimethylene trinitramine

2004-10-27 Thread John Young
Generously, the US government offers a complete set of photos, drawings, process diagrams and descriptions for an RDX manufacturing plant. Library of Congress has the info in its Historic American Engineering Record. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/ Search on RDX. Now it

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-27 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: The remaining communists have made some psychological recovery - see for example Tyler Durden's peculiar version of recent history, where in his universe the communists actually won and are still winning, Tyler Durden Again, you live in a world that's evenly

Re: Donald's Job Description

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Bill Stewart wrote: And MoveOn seems to have mostly disappeared. So, I'm not the only one who's noticed this? Obviously, Kerry was coming a bit too close to an actual win...:-( -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF An ill wind is stalking

Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
I'll see you one fizzled October surprise, and raise you... Are we having fun, now? Cheers, RAH http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20041027-101153-4822r The Washington Times www.washingtontimes.com Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms By Bill Gertz

Re: Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Sorry for the open channel, folks. Yes - let me restate that for the record: My personal apologies. RAH: Try it now. I saw the bounce, and found the line I missed. Try it one more time :-) --

Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
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Re: Cyclotrimethylene trinitramine

2004-10-27 Thread Peter Gutmann
John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Generously, the US government offers a complete set of photos, drawings, process diagrams and descriptions for an RDX manufacturing plant. Library of Congress has the info in its Historic American Engineering Record. It's not all too hard to make from

Re: Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: Sorry for the open channel, folks. At 10:16 PM -0500 10/27/04, J.A. Terranson wrote: Thanks for the heads up though :-) Tell ya what. You send me (directly, I think. :-)) pointers to how to bash RDNS out of earthlink's hands and into mine, and

Re: E-Vote Vendors Hand Over Software

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Howe
R.A. Hettinga wrote: The stored software will serve as a comparison tool for election officials should they need to determine whether anyone tampered with programs installed on voting equipment. IIRC during the last set, the manufacturers themselves updated freshly-minted software from their ftp

Re: Donald's Job Description

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Howe
Tyler Durden wrote: I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as needs killing. but presumably, lower down the list than shrub and his current advisors?

Re: Doubt

2004-10-27 Thread Dave Howe
Tyler Durden wrote: Yet what of your blindness, which doubts *everything* the current administration does? 1. Abu Ghraib 2. WMD in Iraq 3. Patriot Act 4. Countless ties between this administration and the major contract winners in Iraq Hum. Seems a decent amount of doubt is called for. For that

Re: Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
Sorry for the open channel, folks. At 10:16 PM -0500 10/27/04, J.A. Terranson wrote: Thanks for the heads up though :-) Tell ya what. You send me (directly, I think. :-)) pointers to how to bash RDNS out of earthlink's hands and into mine, and I'll buy you a beer. I know, I know. You drink

Re: Donald's Job Description

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 6:14 PM -0700 10/27/04, Bill Stewart wrote: Kerry's a content-free stuffed shirt *I* coulda told you that. I'm from Massachusetts. Here's what I wrote about the War Hero (2.0) on another list: A guy just like, say, John Kerry, back-door preppie

Re: Donald's Job Description

2004-10-27 Thread Bill Stewart
At 05:11 PM 10/27/2004, Dave Howe wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as needs killing. but presumably, lower down the list than shrub and his current advisors? Oh, definitely much lower(even if he wins :-). And if he loses,

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 8:57 PM -0500 10/27/04, J.A. Terranson wrote: Yours, From Sunny Wonderful Missouri... A great place to be *from*. Go Sox. Cheers, RAH BA Philosophy, Mizzou, '81(okay, '84...) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:57 PM -0500 10/27/04, J.A. Terranson wrote: Yours, From Sunny Wonderful Missouri... A great place to be *from*. You didn't finish it :-) And a great place to *leave*! Go Sox. Rah! Rah! Cheers, RAH BA Philosophy, Mizzou, '81(okay,

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Steve Furlong wrote: Missouri and Illinois also have a good record for registering children, the dead, and other people who would normally not vote. In Missouri you'll find that dead people are quite real - hell, we elected a dead guy recently :-) As for *kids*, we

Re: Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
Interesting: although it triggered for the wrong reason, it did trigger appropriately - I do not accept generic rdns. You want to be seen as legit, you need to have fdns==rdns on your mx. Yes, I run extra-tight here, since (a) there's less than 700 users, (b) they are all free accounts, and

Re: Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Sorry for the open channel, folks. Yes - let me restate that for the record: My personal apologies. RAH: Try it now. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and

Re: Turtles all the way down... (was Re: Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...)

2004-10-27 Thread J.A. Terranson
To all of you who have been forced to witness this shameful exhibition of open channel abuse - my apologies. But it's over now, so we now return you to your regularly scheduled, um, Hr... Nothings ever regular around here -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF

Re: Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 10:29 PM -0500 10/27/04, J.A. Terranson wrote: RAH: Try it now. 'mkay... This work? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve

Re: Donald's Job Description

2004-10-27 Thread Justin
On 2004-10-25T22:32:48+0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:20:28PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: *Nobody* was a counterbalance to Tim, me or anyone else. Simple fact, no matter how much he pissed on my shoes, or anyone else's. What's he up to these days? It seems he got

Re: the simian unelected is blocking the world

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 9:33 PM -0500 10/27/04, J.A. Terranson wrote: You graduated after all that beer??? Beer *and* philosophy. I must be a genius, or something. :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44

Re: Turtles all the way down... (was Re: Attention Alif: RDNS is a bitch...)

2004-10-27 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 10:55 PM -0500 10/27/04, J.A. Terranson wrote: Nothings ever regular around here Er, regular means nothing around here? Thanks everyone. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44