The St. Louis Pledge

2004-11-08 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Jason wrote: Republican Lists http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.asp?Cmte=RPCcycle=2004 http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.asp?Cmte=RNCcycle=2004 http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.asp?Cmte=NRCCcycle=2004

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Received: from 24.90.217.26 by by24fd.bay24.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; JAT wrote... This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip Up The

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, every people deserve the government they get, and these hillbillies are no exception. Bush will dominate them, take away their rights, make them poor and scared, and they'll deserve every bit of it. (Where's a Tim May rant when you need one?)

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- Peter Gutmann wrote: Nobles expected to surrender to other nobles and be ransomed. Commoners didn't respect this, and almost never took prisoners. Henry's orders didn't make that much difference, at best they were a we'll turn a blind eye notification to his troops. The english army was

Re: Tom Wolfe: 'Talk to someone in Cincinnati? Are you crazy?'

2004-11-08 Thread John Young
What is characteristic of all these Bush-winning stories is that the writers uniformly seem surprised it happened. More surpised than the Democrats. Their post-election commentary conveys that it is hard to believe by most Americans that Bush seems to have won, if you read the winners and losers

Re: The St. Louis Pledge

2004-11-08 Thread Pete Capelli
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:40:22 -0600 (CST), J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: St. Louis Pledge Against Fascism: Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered by a contributor to George Bush's campaign. This is my contribution to the survival of freedom in the

Blackbox: Elections fraud in 2004

2004-11-08 Thread J.A. Terranson
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ BREAKING -- SUNDAY Nov. 7 2004: Freedom of Information requests at http://www.blackboxvoting.org have unearthed two Ciber certification reports indicating that security and tamperability was NOT TESTED and that several state elections directors, a secretary of

RE: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread John Kelsey
From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 6, 2004 5:07 PM To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: The Values-Vote Myth On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: .. So: A 'moral values' question for Cypherpunks. Does this election indict the

Re: Supreme Court Issues

2004-11-08 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Justin wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/politics/07court.html?partner=ALTAVISTA1pagewanted=print We're going to get some extremist anti-abortion, pro-internment, anti-1A, anti-4A, anti-5A, anti-14A, right-wing wacko. You mean Shrub is going to elevate Clarence

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread Nomen Nescio
J.A. Terranson schrieb: This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip Up The Chimneys. Wow! A Tim May copycat! (Both the 'useless eaters' and the 'chimney'!)

Faith in democracy, not government

2004-11-08 Thread R.A. Hettinga
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/07/EDGQQ9M33Q1.DTLtype=printable The San Francisco Chronicle Election Fallout Faith in democracy, not government - Victor Davis Hanson Sunday, November 7, 2004 Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were the only two

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- J.A. Terranson wrote: The fact is that those who did not vote effectively voted for Shrub. You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Inaction is not good enough. Voting is not a solution. Voting only encourages them. If you vote for a candidate, and he wins, he

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread Tyler Durden
JAT wrote... This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip Up The Chimneys. A...I need a cigarette. But I suspect it's far more likely that some large batch of USA-ians will end up having a

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-08 Thread Peter Gutmann
James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find this very hard to believe. Post links, or give citations. Normally I'd dig up various refs, but since this topic has been beaten to death repeatedly in places like soc.history.medieval, and the debate could well go on endlessly in the manner of

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread Tyler Durden
Holy Crap! Am I on crack? I think I agree with everything here! However... (James Donald wrote...) I cannot understand why you Bush haters are so excited about this election when on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, Kerry promised to continue all Bush's policies only more effectually. That's

Tom Wolfe: 'Talk to someone in Cincinnati? Are you crazy?'

2004-11-08 Thread R.A. Hettinga
My mother's family's name is Sanders. It's Scots-Irish. Apparently, I like to have my rock fights on the net... :-). Cheers, RAH --- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-524-1347653-524,00.html The Times of London November 07, 2004 Focus: US Election Special 'Talk to

Re: Your source code, for sale

2004-11-08 Thread Ben Laurie
Tyler Durden wrote: What if I block the outbound release the money message after I unbundle the images. Sure, I've already committed my money, but you can't get to it. In effect I've just ripped you off, because I have usable product and you don't have usable money. Well, yes, but this would be

Re: This Memorable Day

2004-11-08 Thread John Kelsey
From: Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 6, 2004 2:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Memorable Day The figure that's usually quoted is that 80% of German's military force was directed against Russia. Of the remaining 20%, a lot had already been engaged by

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Blackbox: Elections fraud in 2004

2004-11-08 Thread Ben
See also. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm -Original Message- From: J.A. Terranson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Blackbox: Elections fraud

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, James A. Donald wrote: J.A. Terranson wrote: The fact is that those who did not vote effectively voted for Shrub. You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Inaction is not good enough. Voting is not a solution. Voting only encourages

Re: Your source code, for sale

2004-11-08 Thread Tyler Durden
Oh, I assumed that this verification 'layer' was disjoint from the e$ layer. In other words, you might have a 3rd party e$ issuer, but after that they shouldn't be necessaryor, there's a different 3rd party for the verification process. I think that's reasonable, but of course one could

Re: Your source code, for sale

2004-11-08 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, I guess once you need a 3rd party for the e$, it's only going to make sense that the issuer offer a value added service like you're talking about. A 3rd party verifier is probably going to be too costly. But I'm not 100% convinced that you HAVE TO have a 3rd party verifier, but it's

Re: Faith in democracy, not government

2004-11-08 Thread Chuck Wolber
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: % SNIP % More disturbing still for liberal Democrats is that George W. Bush is the first Republican Southerner ever elected to the presidency, another indicator that a majority of the citizenry no longer finds conservatism and Texas such a scary

Re: Your source code, for sale

2004-11-08 Thread Hal Finney
Ben Laurie writes: How do you make the payment already gone without using a third party? Of course there has to be a third party in the form of the currency issuer. If it is someone like e-gold, they could do as I suggested and add a feature where the buyer could transfer funds irrevocably into

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

2004-11-08 Thread John Kelsey
From: Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 6, 2004 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Values-Vote Myth .. Also, voting is in some sense political manipulation to blame the population for the actions of their government. Everyone who votes is a co-conspirator, and the argument

Re: Faith in democracy, not government

2004-11-08 Thread Chuck Wolber
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 9:41 AM -0800 11/8/04, Chuck Wolber wrote: *SIGH* Is it really so hard for people to remember that George W. Bush was born and educated in Massachusetts? Give me a child until the age of 7, cet. 'er huh? Which he spent in Midland, TX. Being

Re: Faith in democracy, not government

2004-11-08 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 9:41 AM -0800 11/8/04, Chuck Wolber wrote: *SIGH* Is it really so hard for people to remember that George W. Bush was born and educated in Massachusetts? Give me a child until the age of 7, cet. Which he spent in Midland, TX. Being the son of a family of West-Texans myself, he comes by his