--- James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[permanent holy war]
Steve Thompson
True, but there's a question of the waste of resources and
man-years that would come from such a circumstance.
All the oil money has been wasted, most of the humans in the
middle east have suffered
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On 25 Nov 2004 at 10:10, Tyler Durden wrote:
More to the point is that a long term period of chaos and
turbulence causes the locals to be willing to open the door
to the like of the Taliban,
Those who used to mindlessly chant commie propaganda now
mindlessly chant islamist propaganda.
--- James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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James A. Donald:
Seems to me that permanent civil war in Iraq provides
Americans with the same benefits as democracy in Iraq,
though considerably more reliably.
Steve Thompson
You might be more accurate to say that a permanent
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
When the Taliban came in to power, they seemed to offer some stability,
albeit at a price. And I'd bet a lot of people in the shoes of the Afghanis
would have been willing to pay that price.
An afghani is a unit of currency, worth much less than a
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James A Donald wrote...
And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
Tyler Durden
And the answer is: 9/11 sucked.
Oh wait, I guess I have to explain that. After the Soviets
were pushed out of Afghanistan the place became a veritable
breeding ground for all sorts of virulent
Associated Press has pre-issued a Thanksgiving Day photo
of a former US soldier who lost a leg, participating in a photo
op at a military base. Secdef and CJCS issued pre-holiday
thanks yesterday to the families of the military dead and to
the wounded and maimed in hospitals and on photo op tours.
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James A. Donald
And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
John Kelsey
At least three:
a. The pottery barn theory of foreign affairs--we'd be
blamed for making things worse.
And if we do nothing, we are also blamed for making things
worse: Observe, for example
1. the French
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James A Donald wrote...
What made [Afghanistan] a breeding ground for terrorism was
not civil war, but diminuition of civil war. The problem
was that the Taliban was damn near victorious. If the US
government had maintained the relationship with our former
anti communist allies,
Thus spake Steve Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25/11/04 10:17]:
: You're dreaming. People simply do not learn from history.
People /do/ learn from history.
But most people never bother learning history, period, and many of those
that do believe that their situation is different. And...
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--- James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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James A. Donald:
And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
On 24 Nov 2004 at 2:42, Bill Stewart wrote:
Well, once you get past the invalid and dishonest parts of
Bush's 57 reasons We Need to Invade Iraq Right Now (WMDs,
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James A. Donald:
And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
On 24 Nov 2004 at 2:42, Bill Stewart wrote:
Well, once you get past the invalid and dishonest parts of
Bush's 57 reasons We Need to Invade Iraq Right Now (WMDs,
Al-Qaeda, Tried to kill Bush's Daddy, etc.) you're pretty
James A Donald wrote...
What made it a breeding ground for terrorism was not civil war,
but diminuition of civil war. The problem was that the Taliban
was damn near victorious. If the US government had maintained
the relationship with our former anti communist allies, and
kept on sending them
--
James A. Donald:
Seems to me that permanent civil war in Iraq provides
Americans with the same benefits as democracy in Iraq,
though considerably more reliably.
Steve Thompson
You might be more accurate to say that a permanent [civil]
war in Iraq benefits miltiary leaders and
At 10:02 PM 11/23/2004, James A. Donald wrote:
And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
Well, once you get past the invalid and dishonest parts of
Bush's 57 reasons We Need to Invade Iraq Right Now
(WMDs, Al-Qaeda, Tried to kill Bush's Daddy, etc.)
you're pretty much left with Saddam tried to
James A Donald wrote...
And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
And the answer is: 9/11 sucked.
Oh wait, I guess I have to explain that. After the Soviets were pushed out
of Afghanistan the place became a veritable breeding ground for all sorts of
virulent strains of Islam, warlords, and
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Nov 24, 2004 1:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report
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And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
At least three:
a. The pottery barn theory of foreign affairs--we'd be blamed for making
things worse. (I
At 1:05 PM -0500 11/24/04, John Kelsey wrote:
effective guerrilla warfare against
US troops.
Uh, huh...Just for fun, see the title of this thread.
;-)
Cheers,
RAH
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The current war against western civilization started in the 1920's, when
Qutb started writing his Moslem triumphalist blather in reaction to the
complete collapse of the Turkish Caliphate in the wake of World War I.
Eh?
OK, I wouldn't have expected you to have heard of Uthman dan Fodio
and the
R.A. Hettinga wrote:
Apparently, understanding the recursive minutiae of the Levant, et al., the
old-fashioned received, regurgitated, OxBridge way didn't help y'all too
much when it came to Fabianizing yourselves back to the stone-age, either,
since we're on the subject of neo-feudalist
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At 11:13 AM + 11/23/04, ken reached out from his Birkbeck student
digs to make September Forever once again on the cypherpunks list:
Muhammad Ahmad the so-called Mahdi
Sayyed Qtub is who every model of a modern major islamofascist likes to
point
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At 4:41 PM + 11/23/04, ken wrote:
So that's why you guys are behaving exactly like we used to?
Yup, since you can't anymore, having dropped the ball, a long, long, time ago.
Monopolarity is a bitch. See Churchill, below...
;-)
Cheers,
RAH
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The Green Side
Sunday, November 21, 2004
Email from Dave - Nov 19, 04
Dear Dad -
Just came out of the city and I honestly do not know where to start. I am
afraid that whatever I send you
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At 8:26 PM -0800 11/21/04, John Young wrote:
Jesus, Bob, this and the Schwartz hosannah for Free Fallujah
are about as bad a puke as anything you've posted.
and...
BTW, Bob, what's your draft status?
Born in 1959. One of two years in most of the
Jesus, Bob, this and the Schwartz hosannah for Free Fallujah
are about as bad a puke as anything you've posted.
These vomitoria are upchucked by the hundreds by professional
writers usually under contract, or angling for one, or in the case
of the eye-witness in the propaganda unit of the
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
At 8:26 PM -0800 11/21/04, John Young wrote:
% SNIP %
By the way, John, did you know that Bush Is Going To Revive The Draft???
Troll -1
Or was it that Bush Lied and People Died???
True +1
Or maybe, it was that John Kerry Was In Viet Nam???
Hell, the entire Cold War, John. Including your beloved Viet Nam, which was
a *battle*, not a war in same. When Castro, and North Korea, etc., finally
fall, then the cold war will be over.
That war was won (or lost, depending on how you look at it) by the inherent
failures of communism itself,
From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Nov 21, 2004 9:23 PM
To: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report
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By the way, John, did you know that Bush Is Going To Revive The Draft???
I know this is currently known to be false by all
The Selective Service website unctuously declares there is
no draft foreseen at the moment and lists defeat of recent
congressional efforts to institute the draft. However, it
emphasizes that the agency is required by law to remain
at the ready to immediately institute a draft upon notice.
As
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At 11:21 AM -0800 11/22/04, John Young wrote:
Every application of US military might since WW2 has failed.
Korea. Yes. Korea.
Hell, the entire Cold War, John. Including your beloved Viet Nam, which was
a *battle*, not a war in same. When Castro, and
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At 10:38 AM -0500 11/22/04, John Kelsey wrote:
we need people to do the occupying,
I'm pretty heretical about this. I think if we had decapitated Iraq, went
after our military objectives, like securing what was a threat to us,
including Iraq's senior
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