Re: CDR: Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-23 Thread Jamie Lawrence
On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: 1. What makes these lies as you claim commie? Do you think that by impugning US policy in the region we are by implication stating that the forced exit of the Soviets was bad? Quite saying commie all the time. All the commies are dead, except

Re: CDR: Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-23 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 23 Mar 2003 at 8:09, Jamie Lawrence wrote: Hey, what do you guys want? Not only are we not very useful, but, hell, I don't think we've been *communist* since at least the first attempt around at asian nations. Oh, wait. Commie means not like me. Commie is an explanation for the fact

Re: CDR: Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-23 Thread Jamie Lawrence
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, James A. Donald wrote: Commie is an explanation for the fact that hostile lies about US allies who fought communists are usually accompanied by favorable lies about the Soviet Union and its servants. --digsig James A. Donald That's an interesting

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-23 Thread James A. Donald
-- Ken Brown: But there certainly was some assistance from the US to the Taliban. US They didn't buy those 500 Stingers in Kmart James A. Donald: Commie lies. At the beginning of the recent Afghan war the US estimated the Taliban had at most fifty stingers. During the war it

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-22 Thread Tyler Durden
James D wrote... -- On 21 Mar 2003 at 12:55, Ken Brown wrote: US originally helped the kind of people who later became the Northern Alliance - a rather odd mixture of unreconstructed Stalinists, liberals in the European sense of the word, separationists, local bandit chiefs, drug growers,

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread John Kelsey
At 02:03 PM 3/20/03 +, Ken Brown wrote: Of all the places in the world you ought not to go if you want to not be shot at, a war with 8 sides (Residual Lebanese govt. vs Palestinians vs. Israel vs Islamist Shia militias vs. non-Islamist Shia militias vs. Sunni militias vs Maronite militias vs

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:57 AM 03/20/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Good work, Shaddack. Gold star and smiley face. My father has mentioned the Texas City incident a few times while growing up (he grew up in Galveston). He remembers that it basically dissappeared in a giant fireball, and there was never an

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- The Taliban did not exist back then. The guys the US aided were for the most part, the guys that are running Afghanistan now. The major recipients of US aid, for example the lion of Afghanistan were the people the Taliban murdered. On 20 Mar 2003 at 8:16, Mike Rosing wrote:

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread John Kelsey
At 07:42 AM 3/20/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: ... The story you are telling is part of a big commie lie -- that the US aided the bigoted Taliban against the elightened communists who created a constitutional democracy where every man and every women have a vote, and universal education and

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-21 Thread Ken Brown
John Kelsey wrote: At 07:42 AM 3/20/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: ... The story you are telling is part of a big commie lie -- that the US aided the bigoted Taliban against the elightened communists who created a constitutional democracy where every man and every women have a vote, and

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-20 Thread Bill Frantz
At 2:59 PM -0800 3/19/03, Tim May wrote: The greater threat is that access to one's home is impaired, or a car breakdown occurs, which is why carrying a bag in a vehicle makes so much sense: a shovel for digging out, a few blankets or a sleeping bag, water, a flashlight, flares and other road

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-20 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 01:54 PM, Thomas Shaddack wrote: The design of current glass-tower skyscrapers encourages glass fragment blowthrough by the shockwave, which will result in massive injuries (simulated on pigs in wind tunnels it abraded flesh to the bone in seconds, it would

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-20 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 12:57 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: At 01:37 PM 03/19/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: But as it the only terrorist attack (from non-US citizens, that is), was on 9/11/01. Were there ANY others? Sure. Besides the earlier truck-bombing of the WTC, there were Waco and

RE: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-20 Thread Trei, Peter
Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but many offices don't allow handguns inside, even if locked in a case or backpack. If people feel the risk is high enough, they could carry concealed. The number of non-governmental places which require staff to go a metal detector is miniscule.

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-20 Thread stuart
On Thursday, March 20, 2003, Peter came up with this... TP Except when it happens - remember that within hours of the WTC attack, TP all the bridges and tunnels to Manhattan were closed to private cars *in TP both directions*, and remained that way for several days. I'm sure that TP some of the

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-20 Thread Tyler Durden
come grab you and make you front-n-center in our little club Tuesday nights!!!) -TD From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:57:39 -0800 On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 12:57 PM, Bill

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-20 Thread Tyler Durden
. -TD From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:55:17 +0100 (CET) On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Tim May wrote: Having seen Vietnam (the war, not the country), and having seen

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-20 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 19 Mar 2003 at 14:53, Tyler Durden wrote: I agree the above would be bullshit if it weren't on some occasions demonstrably true. After the US helped get the Taliban rolling (through providing them with stingers and other weapons as well as subversive opps training to knock out

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-19 Thread Mike Rosing
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, David Howe wrote: Chemical weapons are legally dodgy - but under the Bush Doctorine, saddam could blow huge civilian areas of Washington away with missles, and just call it a shock and awe demonstration against a country that might attack it and that is known to have all

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-19 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:59:31PM -0800, Tim May wrote: About the threat to Washington: I think it's relatively high. A nerve gas attack on buildings or the Metro seems likely. (The Japanese AUM cult had Sarin, but was inept. A more capable, military-trained operative has had many months

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-19 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 07:37 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:59:31PM -0800, Tim May wrote: About the threat to Washington: I think it's relatively high. A nerve gas attack on buildings or the Metro seems likely. (The Japanese AUM cult had Sarin, but was inept. A

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Declan McCullagh wrote: It's hardly implausible to believe I might survive a 1 kiloton nuclear blast, about what the Davy Crockett U.S. nuke, at around 50 lbs, The design of current glass-tower skyscrapers encourages glass fragment blowthrough by the shockwave, which will

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-19 Thread Thomas Shaddack
The design of current glass-tower skyscrapers encourages glass fragment blowthrough by the shockwave, which will result in massive injuries (simulated on pigs in wind tunnels it abraded flesh to the bone in seconds, it would certainly kill you by blood loss or at least maim badly). ARGH!

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-19 Thread Tyler Durden
I'm convinced that if the U.S. were libertarian, even libertine, that many Muslims would think of us as corrupt...but I don't think much organized effort would be directed against us. Exactly. You don't stress about the weirdos living at the end of the street if you can tune them out. Maybe it

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-19 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... (And this kind of chaos need not be a decapitation attack on the Seat of Government. A disabling attack on agriculture--such as contaminating the meat supply with hoof and mouth or mad cow--or a psychological attack on consumerism--such as 5 suicide bombers hitting crowded

Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-18 Thread Tim May
Journalists, diplomats, inspectors, and civil servants are being urged to evacuate the capital. A timetable of 48 hours has been given. The Evil Doers will be rooted out and the Evil Ones punished, said one spokesman. However, as of midnight, Eastern Standard Time, there is no evidence that

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-18 Thread Anonymous
Tim, it's time to switch to decaf. On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:59:31 -0800, you wrote: Journalists, diplomats, inspectors, and civil servants are being urged to evacuate the capital. A timetable of 48 hours has been given. The Evil Doers will be rooted out and the Evil Ones punished, said one

Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City

2003-03-18 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:55 AM 03/18/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: A Stinger missile launched from a hotel room window overlooking an airport (think of San Diego, for example, as the fllight path comes in over the downtown skyscrapers) would halt air traffic--again. Especially if several attacks happen at about the