Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Paul Krumviede
--On Monday, 30 September, 2002 22:15 -0500 Jeremey Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Krumviede wrote: | i've seen comments in reviews of professional CD mastering | gear that there are other, seemingly preferred, technologies, | although

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Bram Cohen
Peter Gutmann wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features. I don't think that's really 'steganography'

Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features. According to the vendors, HDCD has been used in the recording of more

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 07:31:19PM -0700, Paul Krumviede wrote: | --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra | data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Paul Krumviede
--On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2002-10-01, Ben Laurie uttered to Peter Gutmann: Yeah, right - and green felt-tip around the edges of your CD improves the sound, too. I'm not sure about HDCD as a technology, but the principle is sound. If we can compress sound transparently, we can also transparently embed quite a lot of

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Jeremey Barrett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Krumviede wrote: | --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann | | maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A | convertor does, but then some of the people at spectral seem to | have invented HDCD). while the

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Tyler Durden
] Subject: Re: Real-world steganography Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:15:21 -0500 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Krumviede wrote: | --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann | | maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A | convertor does, but then some

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:38 PM 09/30/2002 -0700, Bram Cohen wrote: Peter Gutmann wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Ben Laurie
Peter Gutmann wrote: I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features. According to the vendors, HDCD has been used in