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James A. Donald
As governments were created to smash property rights,
they are always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those
with property, and the greatest enemy of those with the
most property.
Steve Thompson
Uh-huh. Perhaps you are using the term 'government' in a
[snip]
Agreements and accords such as the Berne convention and the DCMA, to
say
nothing of human-rights legislation, are hobbled by the toothlessness
of
enforcement, pulic apathy to others' rights, and a load of convenient
exceptions to such rules made for the agents of state.
Okay.
On 2005-02-16T13:31:14-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
--- R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Property is like rights. We create it inherently, because we're human,
it
is not bestowed upon us by someone else. Particularly if that property
is
stolen from someone else at
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On 16 Feb 2005 at 0:30, Justin wrote:
Judging from social dynamics and civil advancement in the
animal kingdom, monarchies developed first and property
rights were an afterthought.
Recently existent neolithic agricultural peoples, for example
the New Guineans, seldom had kings, and
--- R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Property is like rights. We create it inherently, because we're human,
it
is not bestowed upon us by someone else. Particularly if that property
is
stolen from someone else at tax-time.
Bzzt. I call you on your bullshit.
Supposedly by
--- Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-16T13:31:14-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
--- R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Property is like rights. We create it inherently, because we're
human,
it
is not bestowed upon us by someone else. Particularly if that
On 2005-02-16T13:18:16-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
--- Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-15T13:23:37-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
--- James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip]
As governments were created to smash property rights, they are
always everywhere
--- Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-15T13:23:37-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
--- James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
As governments were created to smash property rights, they are
always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those with property,
and the
On 2005-02-15T21:40:34+, Justin wrote:
On 2005-02-15T13:23:37-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
--- James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
As governments were created to smash property rights, they are
always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those with property,
and the
At 9:40 PM + 2/15/05, Justin wrote:
I think it's fair to say that governments initially formed to protect
property rights (although we have no historical record of such a
government because it must have been before recorded history began).
BZZZT. Wrong answer. Governments first steal
On 2005-02-15T13:23:37-0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
--- James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
As governments were created to smash property rights, they are
always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those with property,
and the greatest enemy of those with the most property.
--- ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James A. Donald wrote:
The state was created to attack private property rights - to
steal stuff. Some rich people are beneficiaries, but from the
beginning, always at the expense of other rich people.
More commonly states defend the rich against the
James A. Donald wrote:
The state was created to attack private property rights - to
steal stuff. Some rich people are beneficiaries, but from the
beginning, always at the expense of other rich people.
More commonly states defend the rich against the poor. They are
what underpins property
A cypherpunk is one who is amused at the phrase illicit
Iraqi passports. Given that the government of .iq has been
replaced by a conquerer's puppet goverment, who exactly has authority
to issue passports there? And why does this belief about the
1-to-1-ness of passports to meat puppets or other
At 10:38 PM 2/9/05 -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 09:09 -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
There is nothing stopping you from writing your own operating
system, so Linus did.
Linus Torvalds didn't write the GNU OS. He wrote the Linux kernel,
which
when added to the rest of the
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On 6 Feb 2005 at 19:18, D. Popkin wrote:
Yes, but Big Brother governments are not the only way such
wisdom gets imposed. Bill Gates came close to imposing it
upon all of us, and if it hadn't been for Richard Stallman
and Linus Torvalds, we might all be suffering under that yoke
today.
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:09:56AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
There is nothing stopping you from writing your own operating
system, so Linus did.
Yes. Corporate lawyers descending upon your ass, because you -- allegedly --
are in violation of some IP somewhere. See you in court.
If,
Anonymous wrote:
I challenge anyone here to answer the question of what it means to be
a cypherpunk. What are your goals? What is your philosophy? Do you
In this day and age, do you realy expect anyone to answer questions like
that openly and honestly? Really. There's a similar and simple
. Maybe you think that free speech codes are good.
Maybe you support all kinds of government regulations that happen to
agree with your ideological preferences.
If so, you are not a cypherpunk. May I ask, what the hell are you
doing here?
Cypherpunks support the right and ability of people to live
they
try a lock-box approach...or rather, the moment the first big
hack/trojan/DoS attack occurs leveraging the comfy protection of TCPA.
-TD
From: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What is a cypherpunk?
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:12:16 +0100 (CET)
Justin writes:
No, I
On Sun, 2005-02-06 at 19:18 -0800, D. Popkin wrote:
The true danger of TCPA is not that free MP3s and movies will become
unavailable, but the de facto loss of privacy as non-TCPA gear becomes
unavailable or prohibitively expensive.
Agreed, in part. I don't think it'll fly too well if any
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Cypherpunks generally distrust the collectivist wisdom ...
Yes, but Big Brother governments are not the only way such wisdom
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and if it hadn't been for Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds, we
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