Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-06-06 Thread Adam Back
I think you are assuming things about rational economic behavior when a money system is subject to high deflation. Consider during periods of high inflation people don't like holding money, as it devalues too fast. They will hold interest bearing deposits instead. During periods of high

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-06-06 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Adam Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consider during periods of high inflation people don't like holding money, as it devalues too fast. They will hold interest bearing deposits instead. Agreed. During periods of high deflation, they will hold cash if it is the most attractive investment.

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: Most of the telco business runs on 48V DC, and much of the off-the-grid solar energy electric applications run fine on 12V DC. Problem with high current and low voltage is that ohmic losses are unacceptably high if you want to transport it more than a

Re: CDR: Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-12 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
A. Melon wrote: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote: But the reason we have AC today is because Tesla requested no royalties on his motor/generator. Something for Brands to think about. No, we have AC because AC works

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:14 AM 4/12/2002 +1000, Julian Assange wrote: Patent's aren't the problem - price of royalty is. If Brands is willing No Patents are a problem. The total future cost, including the costs of all license negotiations and compliance burdens are unpredictable and consequently do not make a

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread Tim May
[Digital Bearer Settlement [EMAIL PROTECTED] address removed.] On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:37 AM, Adam Back wrote: New thread about deployment barriers to explore the topic of whether there are now more internet services and technologies that would allow us to get closer to

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Adam Back wrote: Well I also am pretty anti-patent, especially the xor-cursor and business process kind, but at least these ecash patents are not frivolous patents (well Chaum's RSA blinding online scheme may

overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread Adam Back
New thread about deployment barriers to explore the topic of whether there are now more internet services and technologies that would allow us to get closer to deployment of ecash. (It would be about time you'd think). On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 08:30:07AM +0200, Anonymous wrote: [...] Of course

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Adam Back wrote: Well I also am pretty anti-patent, especially the xor-cursor and business process kind, but at least these ecash patents are not frivolous patents (well Chaum's RSA blinding online scheme may look pretty simple once you've seen it but Brands stuff is

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread Adam Shostack
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:37:50PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: | - deployment / chicken and egg problem (merchants want lots of users | before they're interested users want wide merchant acceptance before | their interested) I think its worse than that. The normal technology adoption curve is that

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread A. Melon
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote: But the reason we have AC today is because Tesla requested no royalties on his motor/generator. Something for Brands to think about. No, we have AC because AC works better than DC in home

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread georgemw
On 11 Apr 2002 at 12:48, A. Melon wrote: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote: But the reason we have AC today is because Tesla requested no royalties on his motor/generator. Something for Brands to think about. No, we

Re: overcoming ecash deployment problems (Re: all about transferable off-line ecash)

2002-04-11 Thread Pat Farrell
At 10:57 AM 4/11/2002 -0400, Adam Shostack wrote: Thus, ecash deployment is a 3 party problem, where most new technologies that succeed are not. Actually, it is worse than this. Credit cards are a four party transaction. Mostly for historical reasons, but still, the customer's card is