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2000-12-12 Thread Anonymous Remailer
Ken Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In every office or factory I've ever been in, including government ones where we kept paper copies of tax returns (yes folks, I have worked for the Inland Revenue) there are cleaners. They seem to come in 3 kinds - middle-aged black women, African students

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2000-12-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 2:06 PM -0800 on 12/10/00, petro wrote: RAH whinged ...and in error. My apologies. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may

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2000-12-08 Thread Ken Brown
Petro wrote: R. A. Hettinga wrote: [...] As I've written, the FBI should run quality house cleaning services in large cities. How do you know they don't? In every office or factory I've ever been in, including government ones where we kept paper copies of tax returns (yes folks,

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:

2000-12-07 Thread petro
At 05:31 PM 12/5/00 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: An instructive case. Apparently they used the keystroke monitoring to obtain the pgp passphrase, which was then used to decrypt the files. A PDA would have been harder to hack, one imagines. Are there padlockable metal cases for PDAs? As I've

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re: BNA'sInternet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00)

2000-12-07 Thread petro
Mr. May: Frankly, the PGP community veered off the track toward crapola about standards, escrow, etc., instead of concentrating on the core issues. PGP as text is a solved problem. The rest of the story is to ensure that pass phrases and keys are not black-bagged. Forget fancy GUIs, forget

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2000-12-06 Thread John Young
From reading the docs at EPIC, it is not clear that the FBI actually got data from the planted device. The USA application dated June 8 asks for a supplemental order of extension of time in order to break in and remove the device. This need was caused by Scarfo's unexpected removal of the

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2000-12-05 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 2:37 PM -0500 on 12/5/00, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Very interesting, but what does IBM have to do with the case? Did you mean to type "FBI"? Absolutely. God knows why I did it... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re: BNA'sInternet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00)

2000-12-05 Thread Tim May
(dcsb and cryptography and other closed lists removed, for obvious reasons) At 4:52 PM -0500 12/5/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:47:20 -0800 From: Somebody To: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Ca

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re: BNA's Internet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00)

2000-12-05 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:04:03AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: KEYSTROKE MONITORING AND THE SOPRANOS A federal gambling case against the son of a New Jersey mob boss may provide the courts with the opportunity to weigh in A copy of the indictment is here:

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2000-12-05 Thread Greg Broiles
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:16:03PM -0800, Tim May wrote: The legal fight over whether the monitor was legal and whether the information so obtained are in fact records of criminal activity is a side-show. It remains practical evidence of how insecure computer equipment / OS's and pass-phrase