Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
The problems with closed lists relying on a single human for forwarding and filtering... Couldn't he just let people post in his absence? It kind of detracts from a list if it disappears for weeks at a time on a regular basis. Also there are delays, and then there's Perry decisions that a discussion is no longer worth persuing when contributors are still interested to discuss. Adam On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:18:32AM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 9:55 AM -0400 8/6/03, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Perry got sick a while back, and, if he's not in jail or something, :-), I bet that's it. Let me clarify that. A while ago, Perry got sick. The list was down for quite a while. Then he got better, and the list came back. I bet that's what's happening now. If he's not in jail. :-). Cheers, RAH But, seriously, folks... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
At 11:49 AM 8/6/03 -0700, Tim May wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Adam Back wrote: Couldn't he just let people post in his absence? It kind of detracts from a list if it disappears for weeks at a time on a regular basis. He moderates it. His choice. Single point of failure, regrettable. I enjoyed interacting with Perry about 10-11 years ago, mostly on the Extropians list. Perry was a major political ranter (even if it is not true that he coined the phrase Utopia is not an option). Amusing! Because he keeps cryptography@ politics free, for the most part. Which seems to be why some knowledgable people post there and do not bother with this group. Specialization is fine. I find it useful that both tech and techsocially clueful folks post here. I despise people's private fiefdoms, whether Dave Farber's Interesting People list or Lewis McCarthy's Coderpunks list or any of Bob Hettinga's various BearerBunks and Phisodex lists. And Perrypunks, with its quixotic policy about politics (politics banned, except when Perry wanted to rant), was just another private fiefdom. A problem with editors in a free market? That's a bit reflexively-anarchic, no? One man's chafing is another's straying off topic I guess. I don't dispute their property right to do with their machines as they wish, absent contracts, but being in their fiefdoms chafes very quickly. Reputation/editing is useful for keeping S/N high, not that one can't invest personally (eg in kill files) to do this. The distributed-CP remailing architecture is interesting, and enforces an anarchic (editor-free) forum, which is a good thing, but as a result has a S/N that deters some folks who are worth listening to, who do post in the other, moderated forum. Thus ends, at least in Italy, the absurd anarchy that permits anyone to publish online without standards and without restrictions, and guarantees to the consumer minimum standards of quality in all information content, for the first time including electronic media. -Italian govt
Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
At 9:55 AM -0400 8/6/03, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Perry got sick a while back, and, if he's not in jail or something, :-), I bet that's it. Let me clarify that. A while ago, Perry got sick. The list was down for quite a while. Then he got better, and the list came back. I bet that's what's happening now. If he's not in jail. :-). Cheers, RAH But, seriously, folks... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
At 1:28 AM -0700 8/6/03, Bill Stewart wrote: Bob - Perry's cryptography list moved from wasabisystems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't gotten anything from there, either. Perry got sick a while back, and, if he's not in jail or something, :-), I bet that's it. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
Bob - Perry's cryptography list moved from wasabisystems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] a few months ago. [EMAIL PROTECTED] says: - lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] serves the following lists: bsd-api-announceThe BSD APIs Announcement Mailing List bsd-api-discuss The BSD APIs Discussion Mailing List cryptographyThe Cryptography and Cryptography Policy Mailing List spkiThe Simple PKI Mailing List Use the 'info list' command to get more information about a specific list. info cryptography Cryptography is a low-noise moderated mailing list devoted to cryptographic technology and its political impact. Occasionally, the moderator allows the topic to veer more generally into security and privacy technology and its impact, but this is rare. WHAT TOPICS ARE APPROPRIATE: On topic discussion includes technical aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography such as export controls or laws restricting cryptography. Discussions unrelated to cryptography are considered off topic. Please try to keep your postings on topic. MODERATION POLICY: In order to keep the signal to noise ratio high, the mailing list is moderated. The moderator does not forward off topic messages, messages that have substantially the same content as earlier messages, etc. Please not that the moderator does not always have the time to send an explanation of why a message was not forwarded. TO POST: send mail with your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line unsubscribe cryptography in the body of your mail. info spki No info available for spki. end END OF COMMANDS --
