x-mailing-list: daf-discuss@shemayisrael.com
(Please include header and footer when redistributing this material.)
_________________________________________________________________
THE DAFYOMI DISCUSSION LIST
brought to you by Kollel Iyun Hadaf of Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE TO DISCUSS THE DAF WITH THE KOLLEL]
________________________________________________________________
Beitzah 016: Did Shamai Hazaken ever spend his own money for food?
alex lebovits asked:
If Shammai Hazaken always ate food bought l'kovod Shabbes; even
though he ended up eating some of it on weekdays; was some/none of it
deducted from his "fixed" income?
Thank you for you patience.
alex lebovits, toronto canada
----------------------------------------------
The Kollel replies:
This question seems to be asking the Chakirah whether we look at the
initial intention which was l'Shem Shabbos Kodesh and therefore not
deductible from his allocation, or at the final result which was that
the food purchased was not eventually used for Shabbos but for
weekday consumption and is, therefore, deductible, becoming part of
his annual budget allowance.
This could depend on the famous Machlokes as to whether the Hotza'os
Shabbos v'Yom Tov u'Banav l'Talmud Torah is Davka or Lav Davka.
According to the Shitah Mekubetzes b'Shem ha'Ritva, it is Lav Davka
and no Mitzvah is deductible. If so, it is very Mistaber to say that
everything that Shamai bought for Shabbos, even if not subsequently
used for Shabbos, was not deductible as it was certainly purchased
l'Shem Mitzvah.
However, according to the normative view as would appear to be the
view of Tosfos (Beitzah 16a DH Kol) that only what can be derived
from 'Chedvas' is included, namely Shabbos and Talmud Torah, it is
arguable that only what is actually used on Shabbos is not deductible.
I think that the first Tzad of the Ritva is Muchrach. As to the
reversed Tzad in the opinion of Tosfos, one can still argue the
point. Indeed, perhaps we can bring a beautiful proof from Rashi that
even according to this opinion none of it is deductible. In DH
v'Ochel Es ha'Rishonah he writes, "It turns out that he eats this one
so that the better one is eaten on Shabbos, therefore, the eating of
the first one is li'Chvod Shabbos."
Rashi thus emphasizes that even the weekday eating is considered as
being indirectly in honor of the Shabbos and the implication
naturally follows that it is not deductible.
Kol tuv,
Joseph Pearlman
>>><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<<
The *D*AFYOMI *A*DVANCEMENT *F*ORUM, brought to you by Kollel Iyun Hadaf
Write to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit us at http://www.dafyomi.co.il
Fax(US):(206) 202-0323; Fax(Isr): (02) 591-6024; Tel(Isr): (02) 651-5004
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/610 - Release Date: 12/30/2006
_______________________________________________
Daf-discuss mailing list
Daf-discuss@shemayisrael.co.il
http://mailman.shemayisrael.com/mailman/listinfo/daf-discuss_shemayisrael.co.il
