Re: [darcs-users] Re: Where Arch is going

2005-06-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
zooko == zooko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: zooko P.S. A revision control tool is something which works only zooko by interacting intimately with one or more skilled humans. And a development process. One of the things that the arch community spent a lot of time on (at least up until I

Re: [darcs-users] Controlling binary treatment

2005-06-03 Thread David Roundy
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 09:09:38AM -0700, Mike Gunter wrote: Darcs is deciding that a couple of my text files should be treated as binaries. It is working as designed here -- both files do indeed contain the '\0' has_funky_char looks for. I don't see how the code I'm looking at (from

Re: [darcs-users] how to redistribute darcs+Eclipse (was: Darcs API?)

2005-06-03 Thread David Roundy
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 05:09:32PM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear David Roundy and all other darcs copyright holders: Please act now, before the situation gets more complicated or staler. Please publically state that you allow GPL'ed darcs source code to be mixed with IBM Common

Re: [darcs-users] how to redistribute darcs+Eclipse (was: Darcs API?)

2005-06-03 Thread Thomas Zander
On Friday 3 June 2005 15:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.  Do nothing, therefore continuing to distribute darcs under GPL v2 or (at your option) any later version.  The possible drawback to this is that someday someone might come up with a good idea for darcs which involves CPL'ed code, and the

Re: [darcs-users] how to redistribute darcs+Eclipse

2005-06-03 Thread zooko
Max Battcher wrote: I don't see what the problem is then. You can have the CPL plugin and GPL Darcs in the same zip file. You don't need to relicense anything to do that. I agree with Max and with Thomas Zander that the Eclipse darcs plugin example is hardly a motivating example. The

[darcs-users] this is not licence advocacy (was: how to redistribute darcs+Eclipse)

2005-06-03 Thread zooko
Just to be clear: I am not advocating adopting an LGPL-like or a BSD-like (permissive) license in place of darcs's current GPL licence. I think there may be some confusion about this because some other people were advocating such things in the same thread in which I suggested this

[darcs-users] Re: this is not licence advocacy

2005-06-03 Thread Max Battcher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose that someone wished to create a program using darcs and also using code under the CPL or EPL licences. Suppose that this program were released under a Free Software license, and suppose that the components of the program which were derived from darcs were under

Re: [darcs-users] how to redistribute darcs+Eclipse

2005-06-03 Thread Max Battcher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose that someday a Free Software hacker writes a beautiful darcs GUI using the SWT graphics toolkit. Suppose that by the time this happens, and the darcs authors become aware of it, that it is too late to secure relicensing permissions for the necessary darcs code

Re: [darcs-users] Re: this is not licence advocacy

2005-06-03 Thread Max Battcher
Kannan Goundan wrote: Isn't the CPL also a copyleft license? Wouldn't it be possible for the GPLv3 to remain copyleft but also be compatible with the CPL? OMIF, sorry. Apparently the incompatibility is on the issue of patent encumbrance, which in this case makes the GPL more free. --

[darcs-users] Re: how to redistribute darcs+Eclipse (was: Darcs API?)

2005-06-03 Thread Aaron Denney
On 2005-06-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron Denney wrote: Wouldn't this also keep darcs from incorporating GPLed code that didn't have this exception? Because we can't grant rights for others to mix such code (or derived works) with CPL code. It would not prevent

Re: [darcs-users] Re: this is not licence advocacy

2005-06-03 Thread zooko
You obviously never talked to RMS :-) ;-) Indeed. I did not seriously intend to suggest that darcs developers should drop the or any later version clause. For what it is worth, I have talked to RMS. I enjoyed the conversation. Among my small victories in life, I persuaded RMS and Guido van

Re: [darcs-users] Re: this is not licence advocacy

2005-06-03 Thread zooko
Colin McMillen wrote: This is why I never use the or any later version clause in any software I release. Sure, it may seem a bit paranoid, but I don't see any substantial reason why the clause is there in the first place. If the FSF comes up with a new, improved version X of the GPL that

Re: [darcs-users] Re: this is not licence advocacy

2005-06-03 Thread John Meacham
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 05:43:46PM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin McMillen wrote: This is why I never use the or any later version clause in any software I release. Sure, it may seem a bit paranoid, but I don't see any substantial reason why the clause is there in the first

Re: [darcs-users] Re: this is not licence advocacy

2005-06-03 Thread Florian Weimer
* Kannan Goundan: Aside: Has anyone wondered what would happen if someone (say, MS) gradually infiltrated the FSF and created a permissive GPLv4? Yes, but everybody would simply license further improvements under GPLv2 only, so this isn't a huge deal, really. Some clauses in the copyright

[darcs-users] Re: how to redistribute darcs+Eclipse (was: Darcs API?)

2005-06-03 Thread Aaron Denney
On 2005-06-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +-+ | disallowed | |+-+ +---+ +---+| || Eclipse | | darcs | | Linux || || CPL | | ? | | GPL || |+-+ +---+ +---+|

Re: [darcs-users] Re: Where Arch is going

2005-06-03 Thread Antonio Regidor García
--- David Roundy [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I think your question is where darcs will be going once the conflictor code is complete and well-tested? The long-time TODO list includes addition of new patch types that will reduce the danger of conflicts in certain situations (e.g. paragraphs

Re: [darcs-users] Re: this is not licence advocacy

2005-06-03 Thread Kannan Goundan
--- Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Kannan Goundan: Aside: Has anyone wondered what would happen if someone (say, MS) gradually infiltrated the FSF and created a permissive GPLv4? Yes, but everybody would simply license further improvements under GPLv2 only, so this isn't a