Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-28 Thread gor...@gordondunsire.com
I'm not sure that doing both (that is, in some circumstances adding both a coverage and about statement with the same triple subject and object) resolves the problem, as we would need to be able to identify those circumstances - and this requires the same level of definition clarity as for

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-28 Thread gor...@gordondunsire.com
I was thinking, as Karen suggests, that an AP would specify, say, that the range of dct:subject and similar properties is the VES GeoNames. An AP for a museum community might specify AAT as the VES; another AP might specify the VES as a union of GeoNames and AAT. Interoperability and inter-KOS

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I know you guys have been discussing it, but I still don't understand why a secondary/qualifying subject needs a completely different vocabulary term? If it's still aboutness, that seems like it should be the same term. I mean, sometimes in LCSH there's a third or fourth level of additional

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-28 Thread Thomas Baker
Hi Diane, On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:22:10AM -0500, Diane Hillmann wrote: It was these folks who developed the DCMI Box and DCMI Point methods for encoding that info in text strings within Coverage. This was a while ago, and DC no longer supports those strategies...

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-27 Thread Joseph Tennis
Sorry if I've missed something in this thread, but I believe dc:coverage is at least in part a contribution from the archives and records management fields to DCMES. That is, a treaty or contract of sale or any other record could cover something (e.g., Vancouver, BC from now 'til 2020) and not

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-27 Thread Karen Coyle
Between Barbara's reply and Joe's it sounds like dc:coverage should be expressly NOT topical. Now I'm REALLY confused about what it's supposed to be. kc On 2/27/12 5:52 AM, Joseph Tennis wrote: Sorry if I've missed something in this thread, but I believe dc:coverage is at least in part a

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-27 Thread Karen Coyle
I'm not sure who is channeling who here, but this is now the 2nd time that Simon and I have given approximately the same replies, and if it happens again it'll be creepy. :-) kc On 2/27/12 12:12 PM, Simon Spero wrote: On Feb 27, 2012, at 1:53 PM, gor...@gordondunsire.com

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-27 Thread Diane Hillmann
I'm not sure who I'm replying to here, but I'd like to add a few use cases here (informally, of course). As a former law librarian, the notion of geographic 'coverage' that isn't explicitly of a subject nature is pretty common. Jurisdiction is one such thing, and the kinds of laws that get passed

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-25 Thread Karen Coyle
On 2/24/12 6:38 PM, Thomas Baker wrote: To be clear, the definition of dc:subject would remain unchanged: The topic of the resource. No definitions would change. The change I am proposing is that the usage guideline -- that Coverage be used instead of Subject to describe the spatial or

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-25 Thread gor...@gordondunsire.com
All My first point when discussing this with Tom was that there seems to be an inconsistency in the way dct:coverage is defined. dct:coverage and its sub-properties dct:spatial and dct:temporal include the subject aspect of their semantic in the definition. But this is not the case with any

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-25 Thread Karen Coyle
Gordon, this now makes sense, thanks. I agree that it makes sense for all subjects to be under subject -- it also makes sense to me to have subject types as sub-properties of dc:subject. How far to go down that road is another question. I'm still confused, though, about the desired scope of

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-25 Thread Diane Hillmann
Folks: As I recall, the change in the definition of 'Coverage' to include topicality occurred while I was still on the UB, and I'd like to think I spoke against it (though I have no evidence for that, just memory, faulty at best). Tom, who probably has to hand all the minutes of those meetings

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-25 Thread Karen Coyle
Thanks, Diane, for the history. It's always hard to understand without the subtext of *how* things have come about. I have no strong interest one way or the other about a solution. But I am curious to know what usage of dc:coverage you prefer that would return to the previous definition (or

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-24 Thread Dan Brickley
On 24 February 2012 22:20, Thomas Baker t...@tombaker.org wrote: Dear all, Since 2006, the usage comment for the definition of dc:subject (and since 2008, dcterms:subject) has included the following sentence [1,2,3]:    To describe the spatial or temporal topic of the resource, use the

Re: The meaning of Subject (and Coverage)

2012-02-24 Thread Simon Spero
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Baker t...@tombaker.org wrote: I recently had a chat about this with Gordon, who points out -- and I'll let him elaborate -- that current notions of subject (aboutness) do not treat spatial or temporal topics separately from any other topics. I am not