Re: [dccp] Feedback on draft-ietf-dccp-tfrc-voip-05.txt (repost)

2006-11-06 Thread Sally Floyd
Gorry - * What happens if there is a sudden step-change in the packet size, does this have any implications. Section 6 discusses the use of TFRC-SP with applications that modify their packet size in response to changes in the loss event rate, and says that the interactions between

Re: [dccp] Questioning TFRC (and TCP) fairness

2006-11-06 Thread Ian McDonald
On 11/5/06, Bob Briscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DCCP folks, I've posted Flow Rate Fairness: Dismantling a Religion draft-briscoe-tsvarea-fair-00.pdf to internet drafts. It explains my strong concerns about the way fairness is thought about in the Internet Community. I show a proper basis

[dccp] CCID 2 for small packets?

2006-11-06 Thread Sally Floyd
Another possible variant for CCID 2, in addition to allowing slowly-responding AIMD parameters, would be to specify a variant of CCID 2 for small-packet flows. This would be a little more more work than the slowly-responding AIMD option, but wouldn't be so bad to specify or implement, and would

Re: [dccp] Feedback on draft-ietf-dccp-tfrc-voip-05.txt (small PMTU)

2006-11-06 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Sally, I think the argument you put at the end of your email would be fine to address my concerns on different MSS. That leaves the issue of very small MTUs that was again raised at the meeting today. Clearly we can have small MTUs 576 B. An example of a very small MTU is:

Re: [dccp] Feedback on draft-ietf-dccp-tfrc-voip-05.txt (small PMTU)

2006-11-06 Thread Richard Nelson
The draft you reference includes the text: This is obviously far below the minimum IPv6 packet size of 1280 octets, and in keeping with section 5 of the IPv6 specification [RFC2460], a fragmentation and reassembly adaptation layer must be provided at the layer below IP.

[dccp] first pass at minutes for DCCP meeting

2006-11-06 Thread Sally Floyd
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Re: [dccp] Feedback on draft-ietf-dccp-tfrc-voip-05.txt (small PMTU)

2006-11-06 Thread Richard Nelson
Mmm, but isn't the 576 byte 'have to support fragmentation' limit a more practical minimum to work to? Richard Gorry Fairhurst wrote: Quite so - this is a requirement for IPv6, so choosing 6lowpan as a technology example was not the best choice, but the min. MTU in IPv4 *IS* tiny. Gorry On