Re: [Debconf-team] TO status for DebCOnf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [2014-04-25 23:21 +0200]: I of course have no say in the decision of whether the Debian trademark gets used in this way - that's for the DPL - but I just wanted to note that having the money routed through legal frameworks *not* called Debian has

[Debconf-team] DebConf governance 'Debian Deutschland' name and TO status

2014-04-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, There has been various questions raised about several topics related to DebConf15 organization. I'm trying to wrap-up a single answer covering all questions. Sorry for not replying earlier. I was travelling during the past week, and ended up having much less free time than I expected. I

Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf Governance (was: DebConf governance 'Debian Deutschland' name and TO status)

2014-04-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 26/04/14 at 12:45 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Lucas Nussbaum lea...@debian.org [2014-04-26 11:37 +0200]: 1) Respective governance decision making of DebConf, DC15 and the DC15 legal entity As you know, there is an ongoing (slow) discussion about DebConf governance.

Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf Governance (was: DebConf governance 'Debian Deutschland' name and TO status)

2014-04-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Lucas Nussbaum lea...@debian.org [2014-04-26 14:32 +0200]: Heh, note that this part is directly inspired from Zack's delegation, which said: the chairs will be responsible to the Project for the organization of DebConf and how Debian resources are used to that end. Yes, but you

Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Constanze Stohn
Hi all, during this weekend BSP Martin Zobel-Helas, Sebastian Harl and I sat down to look into the draft for the constitution of our legal entity. We looked into 021c8a6c9a75a7444bb4e011b7ec99ab5d488b7d from

Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf Governance (was: DebConf governance 'Debian Deutschland' name and TO status)

2014-04-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 26/04/14 at 15:32 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: But when we agreed to run for DC15, there was no indication about top-down control. There's the delegation mail, and there's https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DecisionMaking#DebConf_Chairs.3F, but these rather draw the picture that the chairs are

Re: [Debconf-team] TO status for DebCOnf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Lucas Nussbaum lea...@debian.org wrote: Adding auditors to Cc, and quoting in full. Thanks. Sure. But now that we have a process for establishing TOs, I'd rather use it. In this case, I am glad we raised the point and have clarification. This obviously

Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf Governance (was: DebConf governance 'Debian Deutschland' name and TO status)

2014-04-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Lucas Nussbaum lea...@debian.org [2014-04-26 21:14 +0200]: In the model I propose, there's indeed the possibility that chairs end up making every decision. Did you ask the chairs whether this is something they'd be comfortable with? For not-so-important decisions, I expect the

[Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Richard Hartmann
Dear all, the German local team for DebConf15 is in the process of incorporating itself. We need a legal shell for signing contracts, taking in donations, and for insurance reasons. Plus, we are expecting to gain non-profit status which means tax exemption and thus more money for making

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140426 23:42]: * Debian Deutschland e.V. * DebConf Deutschland e.V. * DebConf15 Deutschland e.V. From our understanding, German tax authorities don't like throw-away/single-use non-profit organisations, but we have no proof of that, so

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org wrote: I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not experienced problems. Have the tax authorities been made aware of this in advance? For how long are those organisations running? Debconf has a different

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]: On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org wrote: I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not experienced problems. Have the tax authorities been made aware of this in advance?

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andreas Barth (a...@ayous.org) [140427 01:10]: * Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]: On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org wrote: Debconf has a different tax situation than a normal TO setup (especially given the amount of money