Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-20 Thread Richard Hartmann
Dear all, is there anything more I can (or need to) do? Thanks, RIchard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-20 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 20/05/14 at 14:26 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: Dear all, is there anything more I can (or need to) do? No, that's on my TO-DO list now. Thanks, Lucas ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 02/05/14 at 19:47 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: Dear all, as announced some time ago, we will incorporate DebConfDeutschland e.V. tomorrow. All founding members will be DDs with the full list being sent as a reply to this email after the fact. Given that: * We will not be

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-03 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Lucas Nussbaum lea...@debian.org wrote: As you already described how you met the TO criteria in cad77+gqwz0opgzi2qsgre3y3vbungtg6b4beqtcqbrz-wjh...@mail.gmail.com, I think that we can safely say that the minimum two weeks discussion period started on 2014-04-26

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-03 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Lucas Nussbaum lea...@debian.org wrote: The last step was never used so far AFAIK. But it could probably be implemented as a d-d-a email providing the updated list of TOs, and a page on the Debian website listing TOs and referencing the d-d-a email. (Similar

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-02 Thread Richard Hartmann
Dear all, as announced some time ago, we will incorporate DebConfDeutschland e.V. tomorrow. All founding members will be DDs with the full list being sent as a reply to this email after the fact. Given that: * We will not be using the name Debian * We are not planning to run for more than

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-28 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 26/04/14 at 23:42 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: 2. The organization should remain loyal to Debian See 1. Going against Debian's best interest now or in the future would not only be stupid beyond description, it would also wipe out our collective reputations and remove the common

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-28 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 26/04/14 at 23:42 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: Before anyone raises this point: Yes, we tried contacting[1] FFIS, but they have not even answered in more than four weeks; we are not confident that they would be more reactive going forward and do not consider them an option any more.

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org [2014-04-27 01:09 +0200]: (For this reason, after some more thinking I wouldn't recommend to name it Debconf15 e.V, but rather Debconf Deutschland e.V..) Yes, this was my intention: design it as a throw-away, but without stating so. And of course this

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft (madd...@debian.org) [140427 08:31]: also sprach Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org [2014-04-27 01:09 +0200]: If you get money where you provide some value for (and sponsorship might fall into that category, if e.g. logos are shown somewhere), then this money is VAT-taxable

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org [2014-04-27 10:53 +0200]: However, one need to check if all of Debconf falls into that, or if parts don't. Tax authorities don't necessarily consider one event treated all as one, see e.g. page 39, nr 206 of

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft (madd...@debconf.org) [140427 11:00]: also sprach Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org [2014-04-27 10:53 +0200]: However, one need to check if all of Debconf falls into that, or if parts don't. Tax authorities don't necessarily consider one event treated all as one, see e.g. page

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org [2014-04-27 11:23 +0200]: According to regularation for tax advisors (Standesrecht) this won't be legal. It won't be legal to represent us towards the tax authorities, but there is nothing, IMHO, that speaks against free advice. However there are

[Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Richard Hartmann
Dear all, the German local team for DebConf15 is in the process of incorporating itself. We need a legal shell for signing contracts, taking in donations, and for insurance reasons. Plus, we are expecting to gain non-profit status which means tax exemption and thus more money for making

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140426 23:42]: * Debian Deutschland e.V. * DebConf Deutschland e.V. * DebConf15 Deutschland e.V. From our understanding, German tax authorities don't like throw-away/single-use non-profit organisations, but we have no proof of that, so

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org wrote: I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not experienced problems. Have the tax authorities been made aware of this in advance? For how long are those organisations running? Debconf has a different

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]: On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org wrote: I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not experienced problems. Have the tax authorities been made aware of this in advance?

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andreas Barth (a...@ayous.org) [140427 01:10]: * Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]: On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org wrote: Debconf has a different tax situation than a normal TO setup (especially given the amount of money