Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 03 March 2021 06:02:31 Alan Corey wrote: > I remember when 16 bit computers ran faster than 32. The data is half > the size. But eventually the advantages of the wider bus win out. > Like memory was measured in K, some chips wouldn't handle more than > 640k of RAM without weird

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-03 Thread Alan Corey
I remember when 16 bit computers ran faster than 32. The data is half the size. But eventually the advantages of the wider bus win out. Like memory was measured in K, some chips wouldn't handle more than 640k of RAM without weird schemes. My first computer had 64k. On 3/3/21, Gene Heskett

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 03 March 2021 03:44:13 LinAdmin wrote: > The common believe that on the same hardware 64-bit must be > better or equal to 32-bit is clearly wrong for the "crazy" > BCM2711 chip used in Pi4. > The detailed benchmarks for Raspian Buster are at 32 Bit > Kernel 4.19

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-03 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 9:44 AM LinAdmin wrote: > > The common believe that on the same hardware 64-bit must be better or equal > to 32-bit is clearly wrong for the "crazy" BCM2711 chip used in Pi4. > The detailed benchmarks for Raspian Buster are at 32 Bit Kernel 4.19 and 64 > Bit Kernel 5.4.

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-03 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:43 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 7:51 PM LinAdmin wrote: > > > > > > There is really no good reason to run a 32-bit /kernel/ on the Pi 4, > > > > especially the version > > > > with 8GB

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-03 Thread LinAdmin
The common believe that on the same hardware 64-bit must be better or equal to 32-bit is clearly wrong for the "crazy" BCM2711 chip used in Pi4. The detailed benchmarks for Raspian Buster are at 32 Bit Kernel 4.19 and 64 Bit Kernel 5.4. showing for

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-02 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 7:51 PM LinAdmin wrote: > > > > There is really no good reason to run a 32-bit /kernel/ on the Pi 4, > > > especially the version > > > with 8GB RAM. While the bug should get fixed in principle to make the > > >

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-02 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 7:51 PM LinAdmin wrote: > > There is really no good reason to run a 32-bit /kernel/ on the Pi 4, > > especially the version > > with 8GB RAM. While the bug should get fixed in principle to make the > > default kernel > > work and allow installing a 32-bit distro, the best

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-02 Thread LinAdmin
On 01.03.21 10:54, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 9:40 AM LinAdmin wrote: >> Bullseye 64 Bit does more or less work. There arise problems when you >> install a desktop with media players which deliver audio and should give >> output to the headphone plug and HDMI. >> >> I also

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-01 Thread Leigh Brown
Hi Alan, On 2021-03-01 12:35, Alan Corey wrote: Or just run raspbian on a Pi 3B, I've got 4 of them. omxplayer and other things that utilize the GPU make it quite livable. In my opinion, that is not the best advice if you are looking to purchase something new. When compared to the Pi 3B,

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-01 Thread Alan Corey
Or just run raspbian on a Pi 3B, I've got 4 of them. omxplayer and other things that utilize the GPU make it quite livable. On 3/1/21, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 9:40 AM LinAdmin wrote: >> >> Bullseye 64 Bit does more or less work. There arise problems when you >> install a

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-01 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 9:40 AM LinAdmin wrote: > > Bullseye 64 Bit does more or less work. There arise problems when you install > a desktop with media players which deliver audio and should give output to > the headphone plug and HDMI. > > I also had to find out that all 64 Bit versions of all

Re: RPi customization utility [Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]]

2021-03-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 28 feb 21, 06:49:49, Alan Corey wrote: > Right, I wasn't exactly recommending running raspi-config on a non-raspian > system but looking at how it does things and doing them manually. One of > the things I dislike about Debian (I haven't looked at others) is that > there's an

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-03-01 Thread LinAdmin
Bullseye 64 Bit does more or less work. There arise problems when you install a desktop with media players which deliver audio and should give output to the headphone plug and HDMI. I also had to find out that all 64 Bit versions of *all *distributions are much less powerful than the 32 Bit

Re: RPi customization utility [Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]]

2021-02-28 Thread Alan Corey
What's interesting about raspi-config is that it works to some degree on all the little ARM machines. If it can't find what it's trying to change it aborts. No guarantees but I've never seen it break anything. I never overclock anything. On 2/28/21, Rick Thomas wrote: > Thanks Andy and Alan,

Re: RPi customization utility [Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]]

2021-02-28 Thread Rick Thomas
Thanks Andy and Alan, for the clarification. This is an experimental system, so I felt there was no long-term harm (it being a short-term installation, anyway) in installing rapsi-config from the raspian archives just to see what it looked like and explore what it could do. Having verified

Re: RPi customization utility [Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]]

2021-02-28 Thread John LeRoy
Does anyone have wifi running on an RPi400 with Debian 64 Buster or Bullseye? I've got wifi running on Raspberry Pi OS 32 bit on the RPi400, but on neither of the above. There were a few hints via Google about needing a new driver for the RPi400 wifi device, but nothing concrete. John

Re: RPi customization utility [Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]]

2021-02-28 Thread Alan Corey
Right, I wasn't exactly recommending running raspi-config on a non-raspian system but looking at how it does things and doing them manually. One of the things I dislike about Debian (I haven't looked at others) is that there's an ever-increasing hodgepodge of specialized little scripts. If

Re: RPi customization utility [Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]]

2021-02-28 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 02:16:29AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Alan Corey wrote: > > There are scripts for those, keyboard and language too. Also WiFi country, > > I forget what else. Locales is in there. > > > > Take a look at a recent raspi-config. I

RPi customization utility [Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]]

2021-02-28 Thread Rick Thomas
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Alan Corey wrote: > There are scripts for those, keyboard and language too. Also WiFi country, I > forget what else. Locales is in there. > > Take a look at a recent raspi-config. I think Odroid, maybe the Pine64 bunch > has a generic-ized version of that.

Re: More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-25 Thread Alan Corey
There are scripts for those, keyboard and language too. Also WiFi country, I forget what else. Locales is in there. Take a look at a recent raspi-config. I think Odroid, maybe the Pine64 bunch has a generic-ized version of that. Armbian probably does too. Raspi-config is just a Bash script

More progress to report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-25 Thread Rick Thomas
I installed the most recent Bullseye image [1] on my Pi4B (4GB) a few days ago. It's happily running on the table next to me right now. Here's what I found: It loads and boots just as expected. Apt and tasksel work and I was able to install all the utilities I need to make it useful on my

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-24 Thread Rick Thomas
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, at 2:45 AM, Leigh Brown wrote: > Hi Rick, ... > Take a look at the following. No soldering required, and they fit in the > case nicely (for Pi4 at least). > > Adafruit PiRTC - PCF8523 Real Time Clock for Raspberry Pi > (https://www.adafruit.com/product/3386) > >

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-24 Thread Rick Thomas
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > LinAdmin dijo [Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 07:30:35PM +0100]: > > I am not convinced that all images listed on [1] do work as > > advertized. > > (...) > > > [1] https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/ > > > Right. I'm only one person

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-23 Thread Gunnar Wolf
LinAdmin dijo [Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 07:30:35PM +0100]: > I am not convinced that all images listed on [1] do work as > advertized. > (...) > > [1] https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/ Right. I'm only one person responsible for the builds, and quite time-starved myself. I did test on real

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-23 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Rick Thomas dijo [Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 04:46:00AM -0800]: > Hmmm... The "tested images" page [1] lists images for both Buster > and Bullseye that reportedly boot on the RPi 0W. I don't know what > they had to do to make it work. They're cheap enough that I may > just buy one and try it, for

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-22 Thread Leigh Brown
Hi Rick, On 2021-02-21 21:58, Rick Thomas wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Reco wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 02:36:52PM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > That's why when you get a real time you adjust the times on your logged > events. There's the time you got the time fix, everything

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-22 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 01:58:08PM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > Hence, I'm looking for an RTC module that can be easily added to a > Pi4B or Pi0W with minimal (ideally none) soldering, and with Debian > kernel support. If the module also does GPS, so much the better! But > that's not

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-21 Thread oregano
February 19, 2021 4:45 PM, "Gunnar Wolf" wrote: > Pete Batard dijo [Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 02:48:41PM +]: > >> >> The end result is that you may not have as much flexibility with user setup, >> partitioning and so on, as you would have with using the formal Debian >> installer. > > I

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread oregano
February 21, 2021 7:12 AM, "Rick Thomas" wrote: > Since one of my goals is to run this as an NTP server, I was somewhat > surprised to note that > "hwclock" didn't work (Missing driver, maybe?) : > root@pi:~# hwclock --verbose --show > hwclock from util-linux 2.33.1 > System Time:

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Rick Thomas
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Reco wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 02:36:52PM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > > That's why when you get a real time you adjust the times on your logged > > events. There's the time you got the time fix, everything else is N > > microseconds before that back to

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 21 February 2021 09:20:07 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 8:58 AM Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:42:45AM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > > > I guess a question is why you want an RTC. If you have a decent > > > internet connection just run NTP

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Reco
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 02:36:52PM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > That's why when you get a real time you adjust the times on your logged > events. There's the time you got the time fix, everything else is N > microseconds before that back to when you started recording. So you record > back to minus

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Alan Corey
That's why when you get a real time you adjust the times on your logged events. There's the time you got the time fix, everything else is N microseconds before that back to when you started recording. So you record back to minus . On Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 12:47 PM Reco wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21,

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Reco
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 12:19:31PM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > I think it's unreasonable to expect that kind of time accuracy from the > first microsecond of bootup. Relative accuracy maybe, by counting cycles > of a crystal oscillator and storing events in some buffer. Then once you > have a

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Alan Corey
I think it's unreasonable to expect that kind of time accuracy from the first microsecond of bootup. Relative accuracy maybe, by counting cycles of a crystal oscillator and storing events in some buffer. Then once you have a good time reference write them all out to permanent storage by doing

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 06:10:08PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 21 feb 21, 09:20:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 8:58 AM Reco wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:42:45AM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > > > > I guess a question is why you want an RTC. If

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 21 feb 21, 09:20:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 8:58 AM Reco wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:42:45AM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > > > I guess a question is why you want an RTC. If you have a decent > > > internet connection just run NTP on something and it will set

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 8:58 AM Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:42:45AM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > > I guess a question is why you want an RTC. If you have a decent > > internet connection just run NTP on something and it will set the > > computer's clock. > > IPSec,

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:42:45AM -0500, Alan Corey wrote: > I guess a question is why you want an RTC. If you have a decent > internet connection just run NTP on something and it will set the > computer's clock. IPSec, Tor, sec=krb5* NFS mounts. At least these four things are

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Alan Corey
I guess a question is why you want an RTC. If you have a decent internet connection just run NTP on something and it will set the computer's clock. If you have a cell phone install the Termux app and then NTP under that, that can be your local NTP clock. I looked into it a little years ago when

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 02:26:26AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 10:53:18PM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > root@pi:~# ls -l /dev/rtc* > > > ls: cannot access '/dev/rtc*': No such file or

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Alan Corey
Price sounds high, look around a little. This is a GPS clock module? The bare module is in the $5 range I think, I have a few. Mine came from dx.com On Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 5:42 AM Rick Thomas wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-21 Thread Rick Thomas
On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 10:53:18PM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > root@pi:~# ls -l /dev/rtc* > > ls: cannot access '/dev/rtc*': No such file or directory > > > > What package should I file a bug report against for this

Re: Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-20 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 10:53:18PM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > root@pi:~# ls -l /dev/rtc* > ls: cannot access '/dev/rtc*': No such file or directory > > What package should I file a bug report against for this problem? There's nothing to report. No model of Raspberry PI has

Progress report [Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?]

2021-02-20 Thread Rick Thomas
I downloaded the pre-installed SD card image from https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/ I used the "2021.02.10 10 (Buster) 4" image. I Here's what I did: Downloaded the img.xz file and the sha256 file, and used the sha file to check the integrity of the img file. Uncompressed the

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread Rick Thomas
Thanks, yes that does help a lot. I'm always amazed by the helpfulness and depth of knowledge shown by the folks on the Debian lists! Rick On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, at 11:22 AM, Diederik de Haas wrote: > On zaterdag 20 februari 2021 13:46:00 CET Rick Thomas wrote: > > Hmmm... The "tested

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread Diederik de Haas
On zaterdag 20 februari 2021 13:46:00 CET Rick Thomas wrote: > Hmmm... The "tested images" page [1] lists images for both Buster and > Bullseye that reportedly boot on the RPi 0W. I don't know what they had to > do to make it work. They're cheap enough that I may just buy one and try > it, for

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread LinAdmin
I am not convinced that all images listed on [1] do work as advertized. On 20.02.21 13:46, Rick Thomas wrote: > Hmmm... The "tested images" page [1] lists images for both Buster and > Bullseye that reportedly boot on the RPi 0W. I don't know what they had to > do to make it work. They're

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread Rick Thomas
Hmmm... The "tested images" page [1] lists images for both Buster and Bullseye that reportedly boot on the RPi 0W. I don't know what they had to do to make it work. They're cheap enough that I may just buy one and try it, for fun. Rick On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, at 2:10 AM, Ian Campbell wrote:

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread Pete Batard
Hi Luke, On 2021.02.20 04:16, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Friday, February 19, 2021, Pete Batard > wrote: > Why, when it is absolutely possible to achieve it, as was demonstrated on a cheap platform like the Pi (that actually comes with horrible quirks to

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 11:10 AM Ian Campbell wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-02-19 at 18:42 -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > If I can get the Pi4 working with either of the Debian alternatives, > > I will probably buy a Pi zero W as the actual replacement for the > > Sheeva, and keep the Pi4 for

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread Alan Corey
Yet if you stick with Raspbian everything "just works". There is only one distribution that works on everything they sold. If you look at the source of raspi-config you can see how the software identifies the hardware versions And ARMv7 becomes ARMv8 under the right conditons and can run 64 bit

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread Matthias Klein
Am 20. Februar 2021 11:49:27 schrieb Ian Campbell : I'm sure someone who follows rpi closer than I will correct if not, but isn't the whole Pi Zero range based the older ARMv6 (i.e. not armhf) processor which requires the Raspbian rebuild because it is not compatible with the armhf baseline

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2021-02-19 at 18:42 -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > If I can get the Pi4 working with either of the Debian alternatives, > I will probably buy a Pi zero W as the actual replacement for the > Sheeva, and keep the Pi4 for experimentation. I'm sure someone who follows rpi closer than I will

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-20 Thread deloptes
Ryutaroh Matsumoto wrote: > 2 and 3 can be worked around by module_blacklist=vc4 in the kernel comand > line. Because of 4, I am using self-compiled upstreadm kernel 5.9.16... > Another intel laptop also becomes very unstable with kernel 5.10, > and I am staying away from 5.10. > > Best regards,

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Friday, February 19, 2021, Pete Batard wrote: > Why, when it is absolutely possible to achieve it, as was demonstrated on a cheap platform like the Pi (that actually comes with horrible quirks to be able to accomplish so, especially in terms of xHCI support), should end users have to juggle

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Ryutaroh Matsumoto
From: deloptes > is the aarch64 bullseye kernel working on the RPI? > The buster does not work, so I copied the raspberrypi kernel and it works > fine. Since I couldn't find an answer on the list, I write what I know. I use RPi4B 8GB. Plain upstream kernel became fully functioning from kernel

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Rick Thomas
If I can get the Pi4 working with either of the Debian alternatives, I will probably buy a Pi zero W as the actual replacement for the Sheeva, and keep the Pi4 for experimentation. Enjoy! Rick

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Rick Thomas
On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: > Is it possible to install Debian Bullseye on a Raspberry Pi 4 (4GB) > from a CD/DVD or USB Flash stick or uSDcard? > > If so, where would I look for instructions for doing so? A couple of folks have asked for clarification

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Pete Batard
On 2021.02.19 22:10, Diederik de Haas wrote: So don't shoot down other solutions if you aren't or can't be certain they're incorrect. Again, I am not trying to shoot down other solutions. You are misreading way too much into what I stated, and this is starting to get a bit annoying. All I

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Diederik de Haas
On vrijdag 19 februari 2021 18:03:34 CET Pete Batard wrote: > I agree that, without OP clarifying, this is open to interpretation. That was my point, which resulted in: let's give OP as many options as possible so he can choose for himself. > As the provider of a custom image, I can understand

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Pete Batard
On 2021.02.19 16:01, Arnd Bergmann wrote: The main purpose of the Tianocore port to the Raspberry Pi (as I understand it) is to give developers a chance to hack on Tianocore without having to buy or risk breaking an expensive server. No. It can be used as such, yes. But that is certainly not

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Pete Batard
On 2021.02.19 15:35, Diederik de Haas wrote: I find it interesting that you felt the need to critique my suggestion. I'm afraid you are misreading my point. I'm trying to bring attention to the fact that maybe it is time to start considering moving away from providing custom images to

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Matthias Klein
Am Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:48:41 + schrieb Pete Batard : > I can only be hopeful that, since this should aid reduce their > workload, and especially avoid the multiplication of custom images > for this or that platform, both distro maintainers and contributors > will come to realize that a phase

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hi Pete, Pete Batard dijo [Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 02:48:41PM +]: > > > If so, where would I look for instructions for doing so? > > > > https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/ contains a Bullseye image that is > > tested on a RPi4 4GB. > > Technically, this is not as much installing Debian,

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:48 PM Pete Batard wrote: > On 2021.02.19 13:37, Diederik de Haas wrote: > > The established goal of SBBR, which is a bona fide ARM standard that was > designed precisely to address this major pain point, is to stop this > madness and let the platform developers (rather

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Diederik de Haas
On vrijdag 19 februari 2021 15:48:41 CET Pete Batard wrote: > On 2021.02.19 13:37, Diederik de Haas wrote: > > On vrijdag 19 februari 2021 00:02:27 CET Rick Thomas wrote: > >> Is it possible to install Debian Bullseye on a Raspberry Pi 4 (4GB) from > >> a CD/DVD or

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Pete Batard
On 2021.02.19 13:37, Diederik de Haas wrote: On vrijdag 19 februari 2021 00:02:27 CET Rick Thomas wrote: Is it possible to install Debian Bullseye on a Raspberry Pi 4 (4GB) from a CD/DVD or USB Flash stick or uSDcard? If so, where would I look for instructions for doing so? https

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Diederik de Haas
On vrijdag 19 februari 2021 00:02:27 CET Rick Thomas wrote: > Is it possible to install Debian Bullseye on a Raspberry Pi 4 (4GB) from a > CD/DVD or USB Flash stick or uSDcard? > > If so, where would I look for instructions for doing so? https://raspi.debian.net/tested-imag

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread Pete Batard
On 2021.02.18 23:02, Rick Thomas wrote: Is it possible to install Debian Bullseye on a Raspberry Pi 4 (4GB) from a CD/DVD or USB Flash stick or uSDcard? Absolutely! This can be done using the *vanilla* ARM64 bullseyes ISOs, in a manner that, once you have prepared your USB media (which too

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-19 Thread deloptes
Rick Thomas wrote: > Is it possible to install Debian Bullseye on a Raspberry Pi 4 (4GB) from a > CD/DVD or USB Flash stick or uSDcard? > > If so, where would I look for instructions for doing so? is the aarch64 bullseye kernel working on the RPI? The buster does not work,

Re: Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-18 Thread Matthias Klein
Hello Rick, Is it possible to install Debian Bullseye on a Raspberry Pi 4 (4GB) from a CD/DVD or USB Flash stick or uSDcard? I don't think so. But you can generate your own image with the vmdb2 tool and this repo: https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs Or use prebuild images

Debian Bullseye on Raspberry Pi 4 4GB?

2021-02-18 Thread Rick Thomas
Is it possible to install Debian Bullseye on a Raspberry Pi 4 (4GB) from a CD/DVD or USB Flash stick or uSDcard? If so, where would I look for instructions for doing so? ADVthANanksCE! Rick