a separator; $PATH cannot include directories whose names
contain colons.
But does it make sense to use the outer system's $PATH at all? Why
shouldn't debootstrap reset it to the Debian default whenever it runs a
command in chroot?
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partition table of the disk containing our boot partition
bootfslabel=$(partmap $disc_offered || echo unknown)
--- END ---
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On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 12:25 +, Kieran Mansley wrote:
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 01:09:38 + Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk
wrote:
I just tested it in KVM/QEMU. It does download ata-modules.
Are you using the current (7.4) netboot images? If I remember rightly,
old netboot
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install, and can be made later.
But more feature makes d-i complex for both developers and users...
If the bond uses the IEEE 802.1ax protocol (fka IEEE 802.3ad) then you
cannot use it without sending and receiving some configuration packets.
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) and then rebuild the installer.
Possibly you could use systemtap for this, but it will be difficult to
install the necessary packages within the installation environment.
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to monitor what's
going on. You could replace modprobe with a script that logs its
arguments to a file before calling the real modprobe. That should tell
us whether the bug is in the kernel or userland.
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Theory and practice are closer in theory than in practice
to
interpret the extra information that may be logged to the console are
exactly the users that are most likely to know how to override this
default.
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- John Levine, moderator
choose expert mode then
you can override this.)
The problem you're seeing seems likely to be a driver issue and not
related to use of PAE.
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- John Levine, moderator of comp.compilers
precise/correct.
I really meant to make sure we got this right before an upload so that
we could point people at a proper changelog entry…
We did also disable this in the kernel config after it was dropped from
udev, so it seems reasonable to me.
Ben.
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On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 22:39 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
[Ben Hutchings]
Again, this is not a workaround, this is the only fix there will be for
that bug. The only thing that may change in the kernel to make this
easier is that it will do structured logging so in theory you don't need
1
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On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 17:09 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Thank you for the code review. :)
[Ben Hutchings]
The firmware agent is never coming back, so please do remove the related
code.
I know and agree, but
URL: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725714#163
use of
structured log data. However the firmware core code is already patched
so that it logs all failure in a consistent format that you can grep
for:
firmware: failed to load %s (%d)
The parameters are the filename and negative error code; usually that
will be -ENOENT == -2.
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I intend to upload linux version 3.16.4-1 to unstable early next week.
This will require another ABI bump due to upstream changes.
Let me know if this should wait for the d-i release.
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)
+ return 1;
Should be return 0?
+ else
+ return 1;
[...]
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On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 00:08 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
However, at the moment initramfs-tools won't include PHY drivers even in
that configuration.
I spent some time last week hunting for a sysfs link between a device
and the phys
Control: reassign -1 partman-md
On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 16:06:04 +0100 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
clone 704779 -1
retitle -1 efivars should be included in initramfs
reassign -1 initramfs-tools 0.109
thanks
Actually, I think it makes more sense to do this in partman-md (or
possibly
/manuals.sgml/release-notes/release-notes.ent in CVS).
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kernel images for some
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However, at the moment initramfs-tools won't include PHY drivers even in
that configuration.
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will be gone after jessie though.
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using wext, or
requires wext configuration to be done in a different order than netcfg
and wpa_supplicant currently use.
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asked for this change. :)
Unfortunately /proc/mounts only shows whether the default options have
been overwritten. You would need to combine the options listed there
with the default options for the filesystem as shown by 'tune2fs -l'.
Ben.
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EVERYTHING IS BROKEN.
So far as I am aware, this is not true for Debian's kernel packages.
The last time we had a udev/kernel incompatibility across releases was
between lenny and squeeze:
https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev
Ben.
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, and that's what we
do now.
[...]
So I am wondering if it is possible to build the debian-installer with
the 3.2 kernel.
It seems like it might be possible if you take kernel udebs from the
stable (wheezy) suite and everything else from the oldstable (squeeze)
suite.
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Experience
of the
installed system and we shouldn't use them here (not primarily, anyway).
Under Linux, we should ask udev for the model name (and maybe serial
number) and show this as well as the device name. I expect there is
some similar facility under kFreeBSD but I don't know what it is.
Ben.
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, this broke kernel building as well.
You could try reverting this to get a starting point for fixing the
alpha udebs:
---
r18249 | benh | 2011-11-12 22:51:36 -0800 (Sat, 12 Nov 2011) | 1 line
[alpha] Remove old, broken udeb configuration
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If you seem to know what you
On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 14:11 -0300, Breno Leitao wrote:
HI Ben,
Do you still have any feedback about the new patch?
I have no objections, but I am not a maintainer for this package so it
is not for me to apply.
Ben.
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comments than after
commits/uploads, here's one: you'll need efi-modules for the armhf part
to be useful, since this package is currently uninstallable there.
http://d-i.debian.org/edos/graph-unstable-armhf.png
These will be added in the next linux upload.
Ben.
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, no progress has been made on the above steps or any
alternate approach.
Ben.
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, with different limitations.
2. Would it be a better idea to only have /boot/grub, instead of /boot, on a
separate partition? (I can confirm that it works both when installing and in
existing setups, i.e. grub-install and update-grub both work as expected.)
[...]
I don't think so.
Ben.
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CD
(rather than 2+ CDs or downloads) then Xfce would probably be the right
default DE for that single CD. I do not support making it the default
in general, though.
Ben.
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+ entryVirtual directory for system information (2.6 and 3.x
kernels)/entry
I'd rather patch into Linux 2.6 and further, I don't think /sys is to
go away.
I agree.
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On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 18:46 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 07:56:52PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
(Not posting to the bug, because this is not GeoIP.)
Has anyone looked into whether the EFI PlatformLang variable is at all
useful?
Windows 7 does not appear to use
the computer was sold in, which would be a good starting
point.
Ben.
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}
+};
+
+static struct map map_platform[] = {
+ { PS3, ps3 },
+ { Cell, cell },
+ { PA Semi, pasemi },
+ { Maple, chrp_ibm },
+ { pSeries, chrp_ibm },
+ { P4080 DS, fsl },
+ { QEMU e500, fsl },
[...]
At least PS3/Cell are big-endian only.
Ben.
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for architecture ppc64el,
F.
You forget the patch.
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a kernel update. In fact I
don't think it should ever be run automatically, aside from during
installation. I think this is a bug in GRUB (which invokes it during
kernel update) rather than os-prober.
Ben.
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on specific machines.
Ben.
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leave Debian alone and stick to your
own project.
Ben.
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to be more careful
about overwriting /boot/vmlinuz in case it is a symlink.
The official kernel packages will put symlinks in boot if you put:
link_in_boot = yes
in /etc/kernel-img.conf. I believe the Debian installer does that for
some architectures.
Ben.
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The obvious
.
Ben.
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own list.
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-A:foreign a non-option.
I can confirm that I can cross-build src:linux for armel and armhf
(though I don't test the resulting udebs). So I'll make this change in
git at least.
Ben.
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is to commit changes before building.
But I think it is reasonable to expect flash-kernel to tolerate the '+'.
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On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 08:27 +, Ian Campbell wrote:
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 02:56 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Kernels and initramfses will be in /boot, as for most Linux
distributions. However, we currently install DTBs in
/usr/lib/package-name. Maybe it would be helpful to copy
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 12:38 +, Ian Campbell wrote:
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 10:41 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 08:27 +, Ian Campbell wrote:
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 02:56 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Kernels and initramfses will be in /boot, as for most Linux
/lib/package-name. Maybe it would be helpful to copy the latest
applicable DTB into /boot, on some machines.
Ben.
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?
[...]
If you can assume linux-base is installed (it is required by all
official kernel packages) then use the linux-version command.
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they heard someone else explain it. - E*Borg on alt.fan.pratchett
.
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and say `Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*'. - Linus Torvalds
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'Rapid
Restore' feature, and if that is disabled then this doesn't occur.
However, it must be disabled *before* installing. Unfortunately, your
laptop will probably need a motherboard replacement now.
Ben.
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.
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On Mon, 2014-03-03 at 02:25 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Mon, 2014-03-03 at 02:37 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Control: retitle -1 debian-installer: Build firmware for the DNS-320/DNS-325
bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com (2013-09-29):
Package: debian-installer
.
It sets DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. This is done precisely so that build daemons
can use dpkg-buildpackage -j for everything but it will only result in a
parallel make where the maintainer has checked that this works.
Ben.
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On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:51 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (2014-03-01):
dpkg-buildpackage -j does *not* put -j on the debian/rules command line.
It sets DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. This is done precisely so that build daemons
can use dpkg-buildpackage -j
installer with
separate partitions for / /home /var /usr /tmp filesystems)
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(+), 193 deletions(-)
diff --git a/debian/changelog b/debian/changelog
index 3d120ee..a37d076 100644
--- a/debian/changelog
+++ b/debian/changelog
@@ -1,3 +1,10 @@
+partman-auto (119) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium
+
+ [ Ben Hutchings ]
+ * Combine / and /usr partitions in 'multi' recipes
+
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was completely removed long ago.
Ben.
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-linux-x86 instead.
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thought we did
because kernel-wedge does run depmod, but that's just so it can use
modules.dep at build time). This won't work if there are OOT module
udebs, though. (There aren't any in Debian any more, but there might be
in derivatives.)
Ben.
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64-bit capable system, anyway.
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you please either close
this bug report or enlighten me about netwinder vs. arm*?
It's not supported by any kernel image in the armel port.
Ben.
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On Tue, 2014-02-25 at 16:18 +0300, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Hi Ben,
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (2011-05-16):
On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 17:17 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
Package: base-installer
Severity: normal
Now that the various bootloaders have hooks to handle kernel
On Tue, 2014-02-25 at 09:30 -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 05:10:42PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-25 at 16:18 +0300, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Hi Ben,
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (2011-05-16):
On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 17:17 -0700, Josh
On Tue, 2014-02-25 at 13:43 -0600, Elizabeth Myers wrote:
On 23/02/14 05:58, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Control: tag -1 unreproducible
On Sat, 2014-02-22 at 21:43 -0600, Elizabeth Myers wrote:
On 05/02/14 11:45, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 12:17 -0500, Elizabeth Myers wrote
Control: tag -1 unreproducible
On Sat, 2014-02-22 at 21:43 -0600, Elizabeth Myers wrote:
On 05/02/14 11:45, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 12:17 -0500, Elizabeth Myers wrote:
Package: debian-installer
Version: wheezy
Severity: normal
Tags: d-i
Debian's initrd.gz
, so it can't
download anything.
Please can you specify what network controller(s) this sytem has? The
command 'lspci -vnn' should provide the model name and numeric ID for
all PCI devices; look for 'Network controller' or 'Ethernet controller'.
Ben.
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Once a job is fouled up
verified that the modprobe tool used in the squeeze installer did in fact
have a -l option (it listed all available modules), but now it doesn't.
Busybox's modprobe also has a -l option.
This option was dropped when module-init-tools was replaced by kmod.
Ben.
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It is a miracle
read(). Yes, it
can return a short length. You must call it again if you want more.
(This doesn't normally happen with regular files, although it will if
you specify a length = (1U 31).)
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On Mon, 2014-01-20 at 08:50 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
noloa...@gmail.com wrote:
I installed Debian 7.3 x64 on a Core i5 laptop for some testing (real
hardware, not a VM). When testing a program I wrote, I noticed
On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 17:26 +0100, Luca Capello wrote:
Hi there!
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:02:56 +0100, Luca Capello wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 22:18:51 +0100, Karsten Merker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 08:40:29PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
There is obvious precedent for systems
path to this file (default value: /boot/config.txt).
+
[...]
So the boot partition is mounted at /boot? Doesn't that make it
impossible to install packaged kernels (as dpkg needs to create hard
links)?
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On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 19:24 +0100, Karsten Merker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 06:00:24PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 18:34 +0100, Karsten Merker wrote:
The attached patch adds Raspberry Pi support to flash-kernel.
[SNIP]
--- a/README
+++ b/README
On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 21:16 +0100, Karsten Merker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 07:01:36PM +, Ian Campbell wrote:
On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 19:24 +0100, Karsten Merker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 06:00:24PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 18:34 +0100, Karsten Merker
.
[...]
I believe plymouth supports both text and graphical modes. The default
should probably be set based on whether task-desktop (or alternate) is
installed.
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[1], in the places,
where fw_load_from_user_helper is called.
Right, I plan to implement structured logging as suggested by Kay.
Ben.
Best regards,
Andreas
1:
http://sources.debian.net/src/linux/3.12.3-1~exp1/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
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If at first you don't succeed
disable udebs
when uploading to backports. I've removed this on the sid branch and
will try to remember to do that separately when backporting 3.11.10-1.
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Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, ignorance or apathy?
A. I don't know and I couldn't care less
On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 21:16 +0100, aexlfowley wrote:
This seems closed.
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel?view=revisionrevision=20878
Right, Ben?
It's pending. It won't be closed until the new kernel package is
uploaded.
Ben.
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Q. Which is the greater problem
), or is it just not included in the
installer (which would make this a bug in debian-installer)?
[...]
Module selection for the intaller is also largely defined by the linux
package.
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Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, ignorance or apathy?
A. I don't know and I
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 09:51:48AM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
Hi Ben,
On 12.12.2013 01:50, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Control: reassign -1 installation-reports
On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 21:56 +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
It looks like a bug in the linux kernel.
I don't think so
be high speed.
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files in the
module's metadata.
We use that static approach in initramfs-tools and it seems to work
pretty well, though I don't know how many people actually depend on
firmware in their initramfs. I've occasionally had to fix the metadata
in drivers.
Ben.
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with it, or provide the data to other
consumers.
Good idea, but I don't expect to see systemd in the installer quite yet!
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[...]
For the record, 3.12 still has:
config FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER
bool Fallback user-helper invocation for firmware loading
depends on FW_LOADER
default y
But at this point I suppose there is no point leaving it enabled.
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sure they're aware of your report.
Jason, if you have a working Linux installation on the same system,
can you send the output of 'lsusb' wehn the USB keyboard and mouse are
plugged in to the same ports as before?
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for the installed system, where apparently X
gets it wrong,
The installer does NOT use X. Using graphics is not equal to using X.
[...]
It does, at least since squeeze, because GTK+-DirectFB is not
maintained.
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,
[...]
Then they get what they deserve.
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-headers-686-pae.
I guess, this can be fixed by explicitly requesting the kernel headers
package, matching the kernel
installed.
Right. Recommendation of linux-headers packages is never going to work
for all cases.
Ben.
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On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 23:39 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
[...]
* tools for wireless
[...]
Should be included in task-desktop and task-laptop.
Ben.
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what you get out of it depends on what you put into it.
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systems that use reiserfs, though I would suggest you do so
soon.
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systems that use reiserfs, though I would suggest you do so
soon.
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the reverse would not be true.
[...]
The ext2 and ext3 modules are also being removed from Debian kernel
packages, starting with Linux 3.11.
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useless drivers were disabled
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Ben Hutchings
Beware of bugs in the above code;
I have only proved it correct, not tried it. - Donald Knuth
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listed in the kernel-wedge configuration but I think these are fixed in
svn.
Ben.
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