On Apr 26, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> So, should I disable module utils in busybox-udeb now?
I think so.
> Is kmod udeb ready and used in d-i already, or does it need some
> prep first?
AFAIK it works.
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On Jan 06, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> Yes, some utils in busybox aren't as good as regular implementations. For
Yes. Nowadays kmod has many more features related to compressed modules
and verification of signatures.
Can we agree that kmod should provide these programs for d-i?
Or can the d-i
On May 22, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> For the record: non-free-firmware can be enabled because (1) the kernel logs
> firmware requests, (2) available hardware matches modalias information, (3)
> CPU matches one with microcode.
>
> (1) and (2) definitely make sense in a virtualized system as well:
Source: hw-detect
Version: 1.155
Severity: normal
Tags: d-i
When bookworm is installed on a virtualized system, the non-free-firmware
component will be enabled even if this is not needed: firmwares cannot
be loaded on virtualized systems because guests usually lack direct
access to the
Source: flash-kernel
Version: 3.106
Severity: normal
I am currently cross-grading an ARM system from armhf to arm64, and
flash-kernel generates a non-working boot.scr file because dpkg
--print-architecture in get_boot_cmd() returns armhf instead of arm64.
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On Sep 19, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
> Shouldn't that fail in such a broken environment?
Definitely yes, I will have a look later today.
The main issue can only be fixed in the libc packages (which would be
wonderful, because then we could stop creating the biarch links and
directories on all
On Sep 27, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Not for me, though. Debian has always followed the philosophy to be a
> universal
> operating system, which also meant that we can't (immediately) use all the new
> technologies and features that other distributions or upstream projects
> develop.
On Jan 21, Julien Cristau wrote:
> So I'd like to raise the priority of ca-certificates from optional to
> at least standard, as a signal that it should be installed on
Good idea: I think that "standard" is appropriate.
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On Apr 21, Michael Biebl wrote:
> We'd probably have to check them, if e.g. they need special system
> groups, call external tools etc.
> The udev-udeb (and initramfs-tools integration) was mostly taken over
> as-is from the old udev package. So Marco might know more why the
> initramfs hook and
On Oct 07, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
Dear debian-boot: for the benefit of the ftpmasters, please confirm that
you have no objections to src:libxcrypt generating a libcrypt1-udeb
package (initially in experimental) which will provide crypt(3)
currently in the libc udeb.
> I guess we should keep
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On Aug 22, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Another option is agreeing that this cannot be fixed in a sane and
> practical way until non-merged systems have to be supported, and
> document somewhere that if anybody does this install-remove-reinstall
> dan
On Aug 19, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
Thank you for expressing your position in more detail.
> usrmerge works by moving all data from /lib into /usr/lib and then
> creating a symlink /lib -> /usr/lib. The same is done for the biarch
> or triarch directories, namely /lib32, /lib64, /libx32 and
On Aug 17, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> One package should be responsible for providing those links so that
> glibc is not the last package using them. The same way that base-files
> ensure that some directories are present.
usrmerge is only needed to be installed during the conversion of a
On Aug 17, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > > The preinst scripts could check whether the package is being installed
> > > in a --merged-usr environment and create (dangling) symlinks if
> > > /usr/lib{32,x32} is missing. And postrm remove could recreate them if
> > > they went missing.
Yes: this is
On Dec 02, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> One thing that has not been answered yet in this discussion (and if the
> TC is to make a decision about it, I think it should be) is "why are we
> doing this". That is, what is the problem that usrmerge is meant to
> solve, and how does it attempt to solve
On Aug 01, Guillem Jover wrote:
> I don't know whether someone is continuously checking for this kind of
> problem within Debian, besides the usual checks that Ralf Treinen is
I am: there is a script to do this in the usrmerge package.
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On May 07, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
> > block 839046 with 134758
> Bug #839046 [debootstrap] debootstrap: enable --merged-usr by default
> Bug #839162 [debootstrap] Enabled merged-/usr by default
I totally disagree that this is in any way a blocking issue: it is
On Dec 23, md wrote:
> On Dec 20, Julien Cristau wrote:
>
> > > This change was reverted in 1.0.87 as dpkg-shlibdeps didn't cope
> > > properly with a merged-usr system. Thus reopening this bug report for
> > > that version.
> > >
> > > The dpkg-shlibdeps bugs has been
On Dec 20, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > This change was reverted in 1.0.87 as dpkg-shlibdeps didn't cope
> > properly with a merged-usr system. Thus reopening this bug report for
> > that version.
> >
> > The dpkg-shlibdeps bugs has been fixed [1] in the mean time. So it would
On Mar 09, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> If nobody (esp. Ben & Marco) objects to them, I guess you could push
> them to master once alioth is back?
I think Simon did a great job analyzing this, so I fully support merging
his patch.
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On Nov 20, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> > This is not needed at all from Linux 4.7. The open operation on
> > /dev/ptmx automatically looks up the sibling pts/ directory. (Also,
> > every mount of devpts is a 'new instance'.)
> >
> > It seems to me that the change in debootstrap
On Nov 18, Holger Levsen wrote:
> someone mailed me privately and pointed me to this forum post
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=186056=2 which made me
> realize that debootstrap had another change: TARGET is now created with
> 0700 permissions and not 0755
On Oct 24, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > By using the appropriate debootstrap switch.
> In d-i?
A corresponding switch has not been implemented in d-i, but maybe you
can persuade the d-i maintainers to accept a patch.
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On Oct 24, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> This leaves the question: how can we install stretch
> without usrmerge?
By using the appropriate debootstrap switch.
But the real question would be: why would you want to do that?
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diff --git a/debian/changelog b/debian/changelog
index 27e512c..4e26ac8 100644
--- a/debian/changelog
+++ b/debian/changelog
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+debootstrap (1.0.84) unstable; urgency=medium
+
+ * Enable merged-/usr by default.
+
+ -- Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> Thu, 29 Sep 2
On Sep 14, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> I agree that merging /usr is a good thing to do. We should default to
> that, and at some point force the merge somehow (via the usrmerge package?
To be fair, I have implemented this as a switch only because I expected
that somebody would
How can we move forward with this?
On Aug 04, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
> On Jul 07, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
>
> > > > > first_stage_install () {
> > > > > + case $SUITE in
> > > >
On Jul 07, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
> > > > first_stage_install () {
> > > > + case $SUITE in
> > > > + etch|etch-m68k|jessie|lenny|squeeze|wheezy) ;;
> > > > + oldstable|
On Jul 05, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> For those wondering (and AFAICT) it seems the only issue here is how to
> handle multilib, since multiarch is “hidden” below usr/lib (in
> usr/lib/ subdirectories).
Indeed.
> Actually, this means an architecture which isn't listed doesn't get
On Jul 05, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> > + case $ARCH in
> > + hurd-*) return 0 ;;
> > + amd64) link_dir="lib32 lib64 libx32" ;;
[...]
> I don't think having to play catch up with src:glibc is a good idea.
> Can't that be determined automatically instead of
On Jul 05, Andreas Henriksson wrote:
> I'm personally keen on seeing this move forward. As far as I'm aware
> there are no real blockers for this right now (since #817168 was recently
> fixed). If you're aware of any issues please tell me and I'd be happy
> to help out. Hoping
On Mar 17, Charles Plessy wrote:
> have you followed the part of the discussion related to privacy ? This is the
Yes: I agree that if somebody has a privacy fetish then TOR is the
correct solution since packages can still be identified by traffic
analisys.
> main reason
On Mar 14, James Bromberger wrote:
> - bootlogd
> - sysvinit
> - systemd
> - systemd-sysv
If you are using systemd (which you do, since you installed
systemd-sysv) then you do not need the transitional package sysvinit and
bootlogd will be useless as well.
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On Mar 10, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> What are the minimal set of of packages then that should be installed in
> every cloud image?
Whatever is needed to boot it and let someone or something ssh on it.
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On Mar 09, Charles Plessy wrote:
> This reminds me #696154 ("Please install 'less' by default on official Debian
> AMIs."). Basically, there is a tension between:
Not really, but this is an important issue as well.
I am very interested in working on reducing the footprint of
On Mar 08, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> with more and more cloud provider publishing images, and the Debian
> project wanting to be able to rebuild those images, i wonder if it makes
> sense to have an own cloud task, that installs basic packages that are
> needed by cloud
On Feb 06, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
> > Since the content of /dev is architecture independent, a possible fix
> > would be to move the call to setup_devices() in every release script
> > from the very beginning of the second stage to the very end
On Feb 11, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Marco: this is continuing fallout from *your* changes. If you wish to
> keep any shred of credibility, you might want to follow through here
> and test your proposed fix yourself. Jason has helpfully posted a test
> case that demonstrates the
On Feb 10, Jason Heeris wrote:
> I've just tried a live-build cross build of an armhf image from a stretch
> amd64
> VM, with debootstrap 1.0.78, and had it fail this way too.
This is about #813232. I posted a candidate patch, but nobody cared.
Feel free to test it and
On Feb 01, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
> Since the content of /dev is architecture independent, a possible fix
> would be to move the call to setup_devices() in every release script
> from the very beginning of the second stage to the very end of the first
> s
On Jan 30, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Since the upgrade to version 1.0.76 it's no longer possible to create chroots
> with --foreign and a consequential --second-stage which is particularly useful
> when creating a base system for a foreign architecture.
On Jan 26, Robie Basak wrote:
> mk-sbuild (from ubuntu-dev-tools) is creating chroots with a broken
> /dev/null (it is 644). This breaks sbuild for me. I believe this is due
> to a regression in debootstrap caused by your fix to bug 571136
Correct. The attached patch
On Jan 23, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Should udev or systemd perhaps provide some hook to configure a
> just-created VT?
Maybe a rule like this one?
ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="tty[1-9]|tty[1-9][0-9]", RUN+="..."
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initramfs-tools needs this patch to be able to resolve recursive
symlinks, or else the system will not boot
Control: tag -1 -moreinfo
On Jan 09, Geert Stappers wrote:
> * It is not clear what problem is being fixed.
It allows to support new use cases like OS snapshots, real read only OS
filesystems, real shared (maybe networked) OS filesystems and stateless
computers.
For a
On Jan 10, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> We have a bug report with a patch by Marco against debootstrap (see
> attachment), which changes how devices are generated; I can't really
> tell how much this might affect all of you (especially with debootstrap
It is not supposed to, since
On Jan 08, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
> If there are some doubts that devices.tar.gz could still be needed in
> the future then I would start with a smaller patch which keeps all the
> old code around.
Here it is.
If somebody will report valid uses for devices.tar.gz th
On Dec 31, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
> a) submit a patch which rips out of debootstrap all the devices.tar.gz
>stuff, or
And here it is.
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diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
index 1020cbc..0bbb2c0 100644
--- a/Makefile
+++ b/Makefile
@@ -2,17 +2,9
Package: debootstrap
Version: 1.0.75
Severity: normal
Tags: d-i patch
User: m...@linux.it
Usertags: usrmerge
After a discussion on #debian-boot it is my understanding that the d-i
developers would prefer for debootstrap to create a merged /usr
filesystem layout by default, and eventually add a
And here comes the patch...
Please note that it must not be applied until it will be possible to
uninstall the usrmerge package from a system having installed
a reasonable selection of packages.
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diff --git a/debootstrap b/debootstrap
index 2a959bb..80d6a7a 100755
---
On Jan 08, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> debootstrap is not only used to install Debian on Debian, and being a
> tad too aggressive with this removal might not be the best move forward.
I welcome reporting use cases which would require a full static /dev.
The only one I can think
On Dec 30, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
> makedev has been orphaned for years and deboostrap should just use
> mknod, without even devices.tar.gz.
Dear debootstrap maintainers, what do you want me to do?
a) submit a patch which rips out of debootstrap all the devices.tar.
On Feb 23, Marco d'Itri <m...@linux.it> wrote:
> devices.tar.gz should contain only the devices which are strictly
> needed, even if udev is not installed the others can be created by
> makedev.
2015 update: the correct[1] list of devices which should be created by
deboots
st...@einval.com wrote:
That's the point - laptop-detect is the package that detects *if*
you're on a laptop...
But why this has to happen on the target instead of in d-i?
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On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
Me too.
Let's look at the problem from a different point of view. This is what
I remove when building cloud images for my employer's infrastructure:
dpkg --purge \
On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
But is this enough reason to keep w3m at priority standard? Personally I
would rather use ssh -D or such than bothering with a rather limited
text-mode browser.
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On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
Note that I believe this has changed over time: with the advent of VMs
and containers the expectations what a system should minimally provide
have become smaller.
The differences between VMs and normal servers are very small, limited
only
On Apr 28, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
- Acpi is a useful command-line tool to easily read values of things
So basically you are saying that it is common use case is laptops with
no good management GUI.
This is not enough to make it a candidate for magic installation by
hw-detect,
On Apr 25, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
Indeed they are not needed when systemd is used (but are still required
on sysvinit systems).
Are you sure about this? It was my first reaction as well, but then I
remembered the troubles I had with logind conflicting with my acpid
based setup.
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On Apr 24, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote:
A while ago, I already filed a bug to have acpid and acpi-support-base
removed
On Oct 27, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote:
Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups?
Eventually, yes.
Would these be able to be tagged with seat as you mention?
Actually the correct tag is uaccess, and
/lib/udev/rules.d/70-uaccess.rules will already do it for
On Sep 09, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
Isn't tasksel for people with no expectations? People who know
something about the technology they are looking for will install the
relevant packages instead of following tasksel recommendations.
Tasksel is not about recommendations: its purpose is
retitle 571136 debootstrap should not use makedev?
thanks
Md I really really wish that debootstrap could stop creating the /dev/ram*
devices which have been useless since the end of 2.4 kernels
[...]
bdale Md/infinity: the real fix for /dev/ram* is probably for d-i to stop
using
d-i people, please confirm that now module-init-tools can be safely
removed from the archive.
On Sep 04, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl alexan...@schmehl.info wrote:
tags 681285 +moreinfo
thanks
* Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org [120903 15:35]:
Could you please confirm that it is
d-i people, please confirm that now module-init-tools can be safely
removed from the archive.
On Sep 04, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl alexan...@schmehl.info wrote:
* Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org [120903 15:35]:
Could you please confirm that it is now save to remove
On Sep 17, Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org wrote:
True, but somehow I feel that freeze time is not the time to change this.
I disagree, netcfg should be fixed. There is plenty of time to look at
any fallback, and even reverting the change if needed.
This is 2012, Europe and Asia are out of IPv4
On Sep 10, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote:
I'd like to see it recommend the instalation of (or just install by default)
system processor microcode update packages when non-free is enabled on a x86
arch (i386 or amd64) and the running processor is either Intel or AMD
(easily
On Aug 25, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote:
1. This one appears twice:
+ * Moved 60-persistent-input.rules back from udev-gtk-udeb to udev-udeb.
+(Closes: #666223)
I suspect a copy/paste failure, since 50-udev-default.rules was moved
to, but not mentioned in the changelog?
It
On Aug 18, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote:
It was uploaded before the freeze cutoff, but it needs an ack by the d-i
team.
What does this fix? The important changes seem to be in the previous
version already, the remaining changes are essentially in the testsuite
AFAICT?
There
It was uploaded before the freeze cutoff, but it needs an ack by the d-i
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While the kmod package has been providing since January an udeb package
intended as the replacement for module-init-tools-udeb, it was never
actually used due to an unfortunate misunderstanding about how d-i is
supposed to load modules.
It was uploaded before the freeze cutoff, but it needs an ack by the d-i
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On Jul 27, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote:
Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it (27/07/2012):
It was uploaded before the freeze cutoff, but it needs an ack by the d-i
team.
NACK for now.
Can you be a little more specific?
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On Jul 22, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
A spurious warning message that appears for *all* users is important.
This will be rectified very soon, sorry for the noise.
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It was uploaded before the freeze cutoff, but it needs an ack by the d-i
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On Jul 15, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote:
thanks to the totally uncoordinated switch from module-init-tools to
kmod, d-i is badly broken. We're in freeze, neither debian-boot or
debian-release were contacted, that's a huge success!
WTF are you talking about? We switched from
On Jul 15, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote:
Can you provide the number of the bugreport requesting removal of the
udeb? However, why is there a udeb called libkmod2-udeb then?
It was discussed on IRC, I think with the busybox maintainer.
module-init-tools is not coming back, if d-i
On Jul 15, Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote:
This is interesting, because the last time I tried statically linking
the udeb it was bigger than the dynamic one.
And now I remembered: the udeb is not static because the current udev
(which I failed to package timely, and now may be too late
On May 14, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
It is my impression from my visits in the Fall (although I do not have
any hard data to support it) that in India and Indonesia network access
is generally so slow that even if computers have DVD drives the common
media downloaded and used
On May 14, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
I'd support XFCE4 as the default Graphical Desktop Environment and
possibly putting GNOME (and KDE) as alternative options.
What is the point of providing a default which is not what people
usually want?
Just document that a normal desktop
Package: busybox
Version: 1:1.19.3-5
Severity: normal
busybox(1) does not mention busybox --install, which could be useful
in some emergency situations.
I see that /etc/busybox.conf is not documented either.
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On Dec 16, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
A configuration with everything in one partition needs no extra
configuration; anyone who wants such a configuration will like what the
guided partitioner comes up with. A configuration with five separate
partitions seems almost
On Dec 15, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
Anyone desiring a setup with more separate partitions should have no
trouble using the manual partitioner to create whatever custom
configuration they desire.
I agree.
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On Jul 20, Jérémy Bobbio lu...@debian.org wrote:
Since udev 169-1, udev-udeb does not ship edd_id anymore, except
60-persistent-storage.rules still refer to it. This result in an error
message:
failed to execute '/lib/udev/edd_id' [...]: No such file or directory
This message does
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Can anybody comment on this?
On Aug 06, md wrote:
ppp-udeb/armel unsatisfiable Depends: ppp-modules
ppp-udeb/s390 unsatisfiable Depends: ppp-modules
http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ppp
Please advise. ppp-udeb has been this way for a long time, does it need
to be
It will also fix the symptoms of #586404.
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ppp-udeb/armel unsatisfiable Depends: ppp-modules
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On Jan 15, deb...@x.ray.net wrote:
please just add chat to the ppp installer component or as an extra installer
component, i guess this is probably a piece of cake to do, but enables any
serial line ppp networking which i guess would be a very valuable feature.
Please discuss this with the
reassign 586404 debian-installer
retitle 586404 d-i must not mix udev packages from different releases
thanks
On Jul 06, Otavio Salvador ota...@ossystems.com.br wrote:
I agree with you; this shouldn't be fixed on udev but a new installer
version to be released.
Looks like there are no
On Jul 04, Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com wrote:
Looks so, I never expected that the two packages could get out of sync.
Is there some way to get the udevadm settle command work also with
older udevd versions? Can the protocol be changed?
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On Jul 02, Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com wrote:
Perhaps the udeb should be written to handle upgrades and restart
udevd when it is? Not quite sure how to do that, as the postinst
Looks so, I never expected that the two packages could get out of sync.
But I have no idea about how to
On Feb 24, Ferenc Wagner wf...@niif.hu wrote:
FYI, the only devices needed by udev to start are null and console.
Aren't those created by devtmpfs? Or will Debian not use that?
If devtmpfs is mounted, yes. Currently it is not.
And I believe it's a good idea to have these on the underlying
Package: debootstrap
Version: 1.0.20
Severity: normal
devices.tar.gz should contain only the devices which are strictly
needed, even if udev is not installed the others can be created by
makedev.
At least the ram* devices should be removed because they were needed
by initrds and are not useful
On Feb 08, Jean-Christophe Dubacq jcduba...@free.fr wrote:
There are too many groups for the default user, and some of theme are not
used any more : audio cdrom floppy video plugdev netdev powerdev dialout
are probably not needed.
I am not sure that consolekit is the right tool to manage
On Feb 06, Jordi Pujol jordipuj...@gmail.com wrote:
udevadm trigger udevadm settle
No package should call udevadm trigger, ever.
At most, if this is actually needed by the package, the command used
should be something like udevadm trigger --action=change
--x-match= with the appropriate
j...@raven.inka.de wrote:
8021q.ko 32328 bytes
garp.ko 13460 bytes
stp.ko4456 bytes
I still do not think that garp.ko and stp.ko are useful in d-i.
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j...@raven.inka.de wrote:
The rest would be mostly straight forward: load stp, garp and 8021q modules,
Why do you believe that STP and GARP are needed for a network edge node?
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