Ralf,
Are you willing/able to install a small MacOS (8 or 9, not X) partition
on these machines? If so, you can use the BootX bootloader. If you
don't know about it, it's a MacOS app that loads a Linux kernel and
ramdisk, along with a boot-time parameter string. BootX provides
essentially all
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:33, Brad Boyer wrote:
Would we be able to use the patch drivers if someone convinced
Apple to give us permission to redistribute them? This is old,
obsolete stuff, after all. If we could even put them in a special,
non-free package, it could be usable.
I'll see what
On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 17:06, Joey Hess wrote:
Geert Stappers wrote:
The sane defaults come from domain name servers in the network.
Please make it possible to surpress these questions.
For those who use preseed/url=http://goldserver/seeds/ahost.txt;
(
On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 05:18, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 11:11:49PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
Now, is the loss under 2.6 of the HFS .finderinfo and .resource
pseudo-directories a bug, or a feature?
You probably need to load the hfs+ driver ?
If that doesn't solve it for
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 03:06, Sven Luther wrote:
Here is the error in my log :
powerpc/netboot/2.4/vmlinuz-chrp.initrd
powerpc/netboot/2.4/vmlinuz-prep.initrd
Read from remote host people.debian.org: Connection reset by peer
rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4 bytes: phase unknown:
On Sat, 2004-09-11 at 01:04, Rick_Thomas wrote:
On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 17:57, Frans Pop wrote:
On Friday 10 September 2004 23:04, Rick Thomas wrote:
When it asked, I chose the
uchicago mirror as usual, and it loaded the installer-components
list (I think -- I didn't get the exact words
On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 17:57, Frans Pop wrote:
On Friday 10 September 2004 23:04, Rick Thomas wrote:
When it asked, I chose the
uchicago mirror as usual, and it loaded the installer-components
list (I think -- I didn't get the exact words) after which it
*again* complained about not
Package: installation-reports
powerpc boot-floppy 20040906 OldWorld PowerMac
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version: Fill in date and from where you got the
image
I got the floppy disk images from:
Index of /~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy-2.4
Name
On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 04:55, Sven Luther wrote:
Can we investigate if it comes from the powerpc-small config or not ? Mmm, i
should probably look into the logs ... Seems to be only powerpc-small kernels
used.
Notice that for 2.6 based floppies, which is not what Rick is using, the
swim
Package: installation-reports
powerpc businesscard 20040829 OldWorld PowerMac
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version: Fill in date and from where you got the image
Index of /pub/cdimage-testing/daily/powerpc/current
Name Last modified Size
I tried the new 2.4 PowerMac floppys today. Now I get the Red X on
the 2.4 boot floppy as well.
I did an experiment...
I mounted the 2.4 boot floppy and extracted the zImage file,
uncompressed it, and compared it to the 2.4.25-powerpc-small kernel.
They both claim to be the same kernel in that
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 19:27, Joey Hess wrote:
Russell Hires wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Thursday 26 August 2004 14:42, Joey Hess wrote:
Russell Hires wrote:
Then that's horribly broken. I tried to use the initrd.gz file just like
it is as a ramdisk,
On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 02:24, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 01:54:09AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Thursday, August 19, 2004, at 12:08 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Thursday, August 19, 2004, at 05:00 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
happy floppy disk reading noises.
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 06:59, Wouter Hanegraaff wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 10:11:49AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
o Using the miboot floppies from :
2.6 : http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy
(currently broken)
2.4 :
On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 05:48, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:25:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
Hello,
I have uploaded oldworld 2.6 miboot floppies at :
http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/miboot
Could people please test them, as i don't have the hardware for it.
My reply is after the inclusion of your (long and interesting) email.
I got flamed a while ago for top-posting on the debian lists. So...
When in Rome...
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you!
On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 10:37, Evilpig wrote:
Hi Rick,
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:50:00 -0400,
On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 14:08, Sven Luther wrote:
Can you try the following boot img :
http://people.debian.org/~luther/miboot/boot-2.6.img
I tried it. After the usual struggle to get a clean and verified write
to a physical floppy... It wouldn't boot. The reason seems to be that
the
On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 12:18, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:55:28AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
In the mean time, would it work with BootX?
No, don't think so, but the plain vmlinux/initrd.gz work with bootx.
I know. That's the method I've been using all this time to test
On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 10:56, Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 03:44:18PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote:
On (20/07/04 15:14), Colin Watson wrote:
OK, we can fix that. Just to confirm, can you show me the output of the
following two commands on that system:
ls -l
On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:26, Colin Watson wrote:
Could you also tell me what 'cat
/proc/device-tree/pci/mac-io/bmac/compatible' says?
$ cat /proc/device-tree/pci/mac-io/bmac/compatible
bmac
Enjoy!
Rick
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On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 11:52, David Nusinow wrote:
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 04:26:04AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 03:55 PM, Rick_Thomas wrote:
OK, as I said, output of lspci and lspci -n will be sent tonight,
when I
can get my hands on the machine
On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 11:54, Joey Hess wrote:
Rick Thomas wrote:
The detect disks phase failed to detect my firewire disk, which I
was intending to use for installation test.
I'm afraid that your report left out the lspci and lspci -n output that
we need to get ohci1394 loaded on your
On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:07, Joey Hess wrote:
Rick_Thomas wrote:
However, that said, let me argue that it should not be needed:
All NewWorld Macs have onboard FireWire, and so potentially need
ohci1394 and sbp2 to access external disks. Now, it's true that not all
NewWorld Macs
On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 09:40, Sven Luther wrote:
Indeed it sounds similar, except that we are on powerpc, and i am not sure
enough about the whole hotplug thingy to be sure if the psmouse module will be
loaded or not. Keep in mind that most powerpc folk usually use usb mouses, so
X may maybe
On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 10:51, Joey Hess wrote:
Rick Thomas wrote:
Bug#261460: Non-DHCP network config step of d-i is broken If you
choose to manually configure the network (don't use DHCP) the
installer keeps coming back to the configure network step, and if
you force it to move forward,
Package: installation-reports
INSTALL REPORT
powerpc 20040724 businesscard OldWorld PowerMac kernel-2.6
Debian-installer-version: Fill in date and from where you got the image
sid_d-i/powerpc/20040731/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso
uname -a: The result of running uname -a
On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 08:52, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 05:34 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 12:24:54AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
Package: installation-reports
powerpc 20040724 businesscard
OldWorld PowerMac kernel-2.6
INSTALL REPORT
Package: installation-reports
powerpc businesscard 20040727 OldWorld PowerMac
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version: Fill in date and from where you got the image
sid_d-i/powerpc/20040727
uname -a: The result of running uname -a on a shell prompt
Linux debian
Package: installation-reports
powerpc 20040724 businesscard
OldWorld PowerMac kernel-2.6
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version:
sid_d-i/powerpc/20040724/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso
Comments/Problems:
The powerpc 2.6 kernel version of the d-i is missing drivers (modules
or
Package: installation-reports:[powerpc][20040724]
OldWorld PowerMac
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version: Fill in date and from where you got the image
sid_d-i/powerpc/20040724/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso
Comments/Problems:
What does the partitioner do in it's check the swap
Package: installation-reports:[powerpc][20040724]
OldWorld PowerMac
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version: Fill in date and from where you got the image
sid_d-i/powerpc/20040724/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso
Comments/Problems:
Is it really necessary for the powerpc businesscard CD
Package: installation-reports:[powerpc][20040724]
OldWorld PowerMac
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version: Fill in date and from where you got the image
sid_d-i/powerpc/20040724/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso
Comments/Problems:
The manual (non-dhcp) configuration option of the
H...
I have had a different experience.
Last night I downloaded and installed on my test-machine [beige G3
mini-tower (OldWorld)] using the 2.6.7 kernel from:
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/powerpc/20040715/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso
Everything went precisely
On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:07, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 10:55:36AM -0400, Rick_Thomas wrote:
H...
I have had a different experience.
Last night I downloaded and installed on my test-machine [beige G3
mini-tower (OldWorld)] using the 2.6.7 kernel from:
Well
Richard,
Maybe the best use you could make of your remaining machines is to send
one or two of them to Sven for use in debugging oldworld-powermac
installation problems.
Is this possible?
Rick
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 02:03, Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 09:18:03PM -0400,
On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 05:43, Ralf Schlatterbeck wrote:
The best way I've found to boot OldWorld Macs is with BootX, a little
I already mentioned, that MacOS is not an option. I want to donate the
whole disk to Linux and I'm unsure about the licensing: I inherited
these boxes with a MacOs 8.6
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 13:16, Ralf Schlatterbeck wrote:
Hello,
I recently inherited several (4) oldworld 7600 Powermacs, one of them
132MHz, the others 120. I have successfully installed woody on one of
them using a boot floppy.
The floppy booting is a *very* erroneous process, I was
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 05:57, Peter Lieverdink wrote:
Package: debian-installer
Severity: important
The beta4 and tc1 ppc iso images don't have a bootable floppy image for
oldworld PPC macs that cannot boot off the CD.
Additionally, the installer is unable to actually make these Macs
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 20:11, Peter Lieverdink wrote:
I wonder if it would be useful for the installer to display a big, red,
blinking screen on oldworld Macs, informing the user that a minimal
MacOS install would be a Real Good Idea[tm].
I agree it would be nice, but how? If you can't boot
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 20:11, Peter Lieverdink wrote:
That's because quik and miboot are deemed by the Debains to be
politically incorrect.
Hmm, but quick *is* installed by the installer, out of the main
archives.
I guess I could be wrong about quik (or maybe the political correctness
On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 01:20, Rick_Thomas wrote:
Well... The black screen problem is solved. Though I'm not completely
sure why it's necessary to do this...
I changed the BootX kernel arguments to
video=atyfb:vmode:13,cmode:8
which uses 8-bit video mode. (the vmode:3 quoted below
OK,
I'll try the tc1 business card and netinst ISOs tonite.
Rick
On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 09:36, Joey Hess wrote:
Rick_Thomas wrote:
Errors were encountered while processing:
apt-utils
Your image must not have a current version of debootstrap-udeb on it.
Probably because you're using
Package: installation-reports
Hardware -- Macintosh Power PC Beige G3 minitower and Mac PowerPC 6500
Software -- businesscard installation CDs for beta4 and 20040530
downloaded from
http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/{beta4|20040530}/
I boot using BootX (since the
is 832x624 pixels mode)
After that it was all pretty much as expected.
Does anybody know why it wants 8-bit mode?
Rick
On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 03:18, Rick_Thomas wrote:
Package: installation-reports
Hardware -- Macintosh Power PC Beige G3 minitower and Mac PowerPC 6500
Software
Hi David!
First, let me echo Frans' welcome.
I am planning on re-working the powerpc architecture specific parts of
the installation manual and updating it for d-i/sarge .
About a month ago, I had just got through a preliminary pass at marking
which parts were out of date, which parts seemed to
more
than just the CD ? I will not have time for this these next 2-3 weeks,
so could you please follow up on this with him, in order to have it in
beta4 next week ?
Friendly,
Sven Luther
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 09:32, Matt Kraai wrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 04:04:13AM -0400, Rick_Thomas
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:40, Joey Hess wrote:
1 - It would be nice to have an option during install, after the network
hardware is up and working
to select an IP address even if DHCP configuration worked for this
portion of the install.
For various reasons, we've decided not to do
Package: installation-reports
INSTALL REPORT
Debian-installer-version:
April 17, 1004 - boot floppy images from
ftp://people.debian.org/~luther/debian-installer/daily-powerpc-built/current/powerpc-small/floppy
uname -a:
Linux debian 2.4.25-powerpc #1 ven mar 19 19:29:26 CET 2004 ppc
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 06:59, Sven Luther wrote:
You can grab miboot (version 1.0d4-2) at:
deb http://sprite.fr.eu.org/dist/debian/ ./
Ok, installed in the chroot. They will be in tomorrows daily builds.
Sven,
When it's available, please post an announcement to the debian-boot
list so
On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 14:48, Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 02:35:20PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
So, yes, there needs to be a way to eject things other than the cdrom.
And (IMHO) it needs to be on the menu at priority=medium and lower.
But then again, d-i should be able to
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 16:02, Frans Pop wrote:
On Friday 09 April 2004 21:49, Rick Thomas wrote:
This is OldWorld PowerMac.
Booting off of floppy uses the miboot bootloader. It's not like lilo or
grub on i386. There's no point in the process where you get to enter
that kind of stuff.
My report on my attempt to boot an oldworld Mac from floppy is below...
On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 02:36, Sven Luther wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 01:24:27AM -0400, Rick_Thomas wrote:
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 14:28, Rick Thomas wrote:
Malte Cornils wrote:
but I would appreciate
Sadly, My PowerMac 6500/225 also shows the same symptoms. The boot
floppy (and the ofonlyboot floppy, as well) are read -- seemingly
successfully -- but the Tux/Mac icon never goes away.
I apologize to Malte. You were right. I was wrong. The kernel on the
floppies seems to be broken.
Enjoy!
On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 19:06, Rick_Thomas wrote:
Sadly, My PowerMac 6500/225 also shows the same symptoms. The boot
floppy (and the ofonlyboot floppy, as well) are read -- seemingly
successfully -- but the Tux/Mac icon never goes away.
I apologize to Malte. You were right. I was wrong
Colin,
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 18:06, Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 02:40:37PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
it always tries to install yaboot (even though archdetect says it's an
oldworld machine. I think something's broken in the yaboot installer)
I've filed a bug report.
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 14:28, Rick Thomas wrote:
Malte Cornils wrote:
but I would appreciate it if someone
could test the current images (Holger?) on similar hardware.
I'll test the latest daily-build boot floppies this weekend on both of
my test machines and send you a report.
Sven
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 02:57, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 12:27:09AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
IMO we should do a clean-room implementation anyway. 1) Past
experiences with Apple have not been very fruitful, just ask the Linux
Mac68K hackers.
Well, actually, they
And I've tested them. And they worked. They are no longer needed, so
removing them is the right thing to do. I'll give Sven's floppy images
an occasional try, in the future, just to be sure that nothing has been
accidentally broken.
Enjoy!
Rick
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 15:13, Jeremie Koenig
(1)
=
On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 07:54, Jeremie Koenig wrote:
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 03:46:04AM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote:
It got to the point where I was supposed to pick a repository mirror
Package: boot-floppies
Version: N/A; reported 2004-03-28
Severity: normal
When starting an installation by booting from floppy, it first asks for the root disk
then it
asks for the drivers disk. If you answer yes to the drivers question, it loads one
floppy worth
of drivers and continues the
Well... I got some free time so I set up a beige G3 with a known-good
floppy drive and brand-new IDE hard drive. I decided to see how far I
could get on that machine with a floppy based installation. Last night
it couldn't find a disk drive to partition. I wondered if it was just a
matter of
Package: load-floppy
Version: N/A; reported 2004-03-25
Severity: normal
When installing testing from floppy disks,
it should eject the root floppy automatically
before it requests the driver floppy.
Actually, it should eject the current floppy any
time it wants a new one, but the driver floppy
I tried them. the boot.img floppy gave me video (80x30 chars). (I
didn't try the ofonlyboot.img floppy.) Once it finished reading the
boot floppy, it ejected that and asked for the root floppy. When it was
done reading that it asked about a driver floppy, but did not eject the
root floppy -- I
Sven Frans,
Maybe this is where I can be of most help.
I am a native speaker of English and have been told that my written
prose is clear and readable. I've been doing UNIX system administration
(with occasional forays into system programming -- kernels utilities)
for 30 years (starting with
Miroslav and/or Sven,
Please see my offer to help (with the same subject as this item --
posted to the debian-boot mailing list).
I would be very grateful If you (or someone else on this list) could
point me at the chapters and sections of the PowerPC debian-installer
docs that are most
understand that nitty-gritty developer help is desperately needed.
Sorry! I'm not your guy for that. Others will have to step up.
Enjoy!
Rick
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 05:56, Geert Stappers wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:04:45PM -0500, Rick_Thomas wrote:
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 06:44, Sven Luther wrote
Thanks! That looks like it will be very helpful in getting me started.
I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I find reading extensive
documentation off a CRT screen very difficult. My eyesight is more or
less normal for a middle-aged male human, but low contrast -- such as
from a CRT -- makes me
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 06:44, Sven Luther wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:19:59AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:26:18AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Ok. Still, there is no chance that the pmac subarch suddenly works, if
no one with pmac hardware does regular full
Speaking as a user only -- I *much* prefer the first approach. The
duplication of effort is mostly just cut and paste, isn't it?
Rick
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 13:27, Joey Hess wrote:
Miroslav Kure wrote:
There are basically two possibilities:
1. Toss the old stuff and describe
Mandarin and Cantonese are two different spoken languages. They are as
different as English and German (or more so). Written Chinese is yet a
third language -- used by both Mandarin speakers and Cantonese speakers
for writing. As far as I know, nobody actually *speaks* a language that
maps to
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