Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Am 8. März 2024 19:58:56 MEZ schrieb Philip Hands : > >IMO Having the 'password/passphrase' throughout makes it awkward to >read, and actually we've got one place where it still just says >password, and fixing that would make it slightly worse IMO. > >How about dropping the passphrase stuff?

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Philip Hands wrote: > IMO Having the 'password/passphrase' throughout makes it awkward to > read, and actually we've got one place where it still just says > password, and fixing that would make it slightly worse IMO. > > How about dropping the passphrase stuff? > > >

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

On Friday, 8 March 2024 19:58:56 CET Philip Hands wrote: > IMO Having the 'password/passphrase' throughout makes it awkward to > read, and actually we've got one place where it still just says > password, and fixing that would make it slightly worse IMO. > > How about dropping the passphrase

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Justin B Rye writes: > Philip Hands wrote: >>> Maybe instead of saying "use the system's initial user account to >>> become root" it should say "allow the system's initial user account >>> to gain administrative privileges"? I'm not sure. Oh, and we might >>> even want to mention the word

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Am 7. März 2024 08:50:25 MEZ schrieb Justin B Rye : >Philip Hands wrote: >>> Maybe instead of saying "use the system's initial user account to >>> become root" it should say "allow the system's initial user account >>> to gain administrative privileges"? I'm not sure. Oh, and we might >>>

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Philip Hands wrote: >> Maybe instead of saying "use the system's initial user account to >> become root" it should say "allow the system's initial user account >> to gain administrative privileges"? I'm not sure. Oh, and we might >> even want to mention the word "superuser", or then again we

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Am 5. März 2024 20:44:52 MEZ schrieb Philip Hands : >BTW I don't know much about how the translation side of things works, >but given that there are many ways of getting the fine detail of this to >be incorrect in various ways, is there a standard method for adding >hints for translators, and

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Justin B Rye writes: ... > Post-coffee (also fixing that wobbly indent): > >Some account needs to have system administrative privileges. The >password/passphrase for that account should be something that >cannot be guessed. >. >To allow direct password-based access via the

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

On Wednesday, 6 March 2024 13:19:04 CET Justin B Rye wrote: > Maybe instead of saying "use the system's initial user account to > become root" it should say "allow the system's initial user account > to gain administrative privileges"? I'm not sure. Oh, and we might > even want to mention the

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Philip Hands wrote: >> https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/user-setup/-/commit/77c1517fade367bc465da2a5908c5ac47dd8bba7 >> >> Template: passwd/root-password >> Type: password >> # :sl1: >> _Description: Root password/passphrase: >>One needs a password/passphrase that grants >>

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Justin B Rye writes: > Philip Hands wrote: >> Justin B Rye writes: >>> Philip Hands wrote: Justin B Rye writes:> ... The reason behind that structure was supposed to be that one definitely needs _a_ password, but not necessarily a root password, so the password advice

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Philip Hands wrote: > Justin B Rye writes: >> Philip Hands wrote: >>> Justin B Rye writes:> ... >>> The reason behind that structure was supposed to be that one definitely >>> needs _a_ password, but not necessarily a root password, so the password >>> advice applies to whichever password you'll

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Justin B Rye writes: > Philip Hands wrote: >> Justin B Rye writes: ... >> >> The reason behind that structure was supposed to be that one definitely >> needs _a_ password, but not necessarily a root password, so the password >> advice applies to whichever password you'll decide to grant root

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Philip Hands wrote: > Justin B Rye writes: >> It needs a small amount of rephrasing, but the most important problem >> is that it starts by saying you need to set a password and then goes >> on to suggest that you might not need to set a password. Maybe that >> can be fixed by rearranging things

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Justin B Rye writes: > Holger Wansing wrote: >> @d-l10n-english: hey guys, we would like to get a proposal reviewed, >> which aims to improve the root/user password screens in the installer. >> >> Please find the related merge request at >>

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Holger Wansing wrote: > @d-l10n-english: hey guys, we would like to get a proposal reviewed, > which aims to improve the root/user password screens in the installer. > > Please find the related merge request at > It needs a

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Cyril Brulebois writes: > Philip Hands (2024-03-05): >> Cool, in that case I'll fix those two things and then use the result >> for the MR[1], and if the openQA test runs look OK, will merge that. > > Only skimmed over it, but that looks sensible, thanks all. > > Is it worth getting d-l-english

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi all, Am 5. März 2024 19:28:25 MEZ schrieb Cyril Brulebois : >Philip Hands (2024-03-05): >> Cool, in that case I'll fix those two things and then use the result >> for the MR[1], and if the openQA test runs look OK, will merge that. > >Only skimmed over it, but that looks sensible, thanks all.

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

On Tuesday, 5 March 2024 19:28:25 CET Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Philip Hands (2024-03-05): > > Cool, in that case I'll fix those two things and then use the result > > for the MR[1], and if the openQA test runs look OK, will merge that. > > Only skimmed over it, but that looks sensible, thanks

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Philip Hands (2024-03-05): > Cool, in that case I'll fix those two things and then use the result > for the MR[1], and if the openQA test runs look OK, will merge that. Only skimmed over it, but that looks sensible, thanks all. Is it worth getting d-l-english involved in a final review before

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Holger Wansing writes: > Hi, > > Am 5. März 2024 15:01:21 MEZ schrieb Philip Hands : >>Here are my latest attempts: > > "Be aware that that a ..." > doubled "that" > > "... (unless you select to show it)" > missing fullstop. Well spotted - Thanks :-) > Otherwise: looks good to me. Cool, in

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Am 5. März 2024 15:01:21 MEZ schrieb Philip Hands : >Here are my latest attempts: "Be aware that that a ..." doubled "that" "... (unless you select to show it)" missing fullstop. Otherwise: looks good to me. Holger -- Sent from /e/ OS on Fairphone3

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

On Monday, 4 March 2024 22:30:57 CET Holger Wansing wrote: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Passwords doesn't exist (yet), but it's an easy to > > remember URL and we'd have all the space we need to give proper advise? > > Would need to check if that fits in the relevant screens (I want to avoid >

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Diederik de Haas wrote (Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:57:10 +0100): > On Monday, 4 March 2024 10:43:59 CET Holger Wansing wrote: > > >Regarding the password advice, I ended up concluding that it's pretty > > >unlikely that anything we say at this point will have any effect on > > >people's behaviour,

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Holger Wansing wrote (Mon, 04 Mar 2024 10:43:59 +0100): > Hi, > > Am 4. März 2024 06:17:31 MEZ schrieb Philip Hands : > >I found that there were some phrases that I was avoiding for various > >reasons, a couple of which I see you've used, so I'll say why I was avoiding > >them and see if I

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

On Monday, 4 March 2024 10:43:59 CET Holger Wansing wrote: > >Regarding the password advice, I ended up concluding that it's pretty > >unlikely that anything we say at this point will have any effect on > >people's behaviour, but then I'm probably just an old cynic. Also, I > >failed when trying

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Am 4. März 2024 06:17:31 MEZ schrieb Philip Hands : >I found that there were some phrases that I was avoiding for various >reasons, a couple of which I see you've used, so I'll say why I was avoiding >them and see if I have a persuasive argument for doing so. > >"allow/deny login/access as

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Holger Wansing writes: > Hi, > > Am 2. März 2024 21:07:34 MEZ schrieb Philip Hands : >> >>This sentence is the thing that prompted me to change things in the >>first place, because it is not true. One does not _need_ to set a root >>password. > > It should be understood as > "If you want to

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Am 2. März 2024 21:07:34 MEZ schrieb Philip Hands : > >This sentence is the thing that prompted me to change things in the >first place, because it is not true. One does not _need_ to set a root >password. It should be understood as "If you want to enable login as root, you have to set a

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

On Saturday, 2 March 2024 21:07:34 CET Philip Hands wrote: > I don't actually care very much whether we encourage sudo use. A person who I consider very knowledgeable deliberately went for sudo and disabled the root account for security reasons. It was an image provided by him that I ended up

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Diederik de Haas writes: > Hi, > > On Friday, 1 March 2024 20:46:49 CET Holger Wansing wrote: >> Philip Hands wrote (Fri, 01 Mar 2024 06:46:27 +0100): >> > If you want to make a constructive contribution, how about suggesting a >> > wording that reflects the advice that you think would be most

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, On Friday, 1 March 2024 20:46:49 CET Holger Wansing wrote: > Philip Hands wrote (Fri, 01 Mar 2024 06:46:27 +0100): > > If you want to make a constructive contribution, how about suggesting a > > wording that reflects the advice that you think would be most useful to > > the people that

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Philip Hands wrote (Fri, 01 Mar 2024 06:46:27 +0100): > If you want to make a constructive contribution, how about suggesting a > wording that reflects the advice that you think would be most useful to > the people that actually read the advice? I would like to make a proposal, leaving the

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi Philip, On Friday, 1 March 2024 06:46:27 CET Philip Hands wrote: > Having helped people to install Linux for ~30 years, I'd say that it's > the norm for people to be almost incapable of coming up with a decent > password if they were not expecting the question. I fully agree that most people

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi Diederik, You're probably right that it deserves a separate bug, but I was trying to avoid wasting the translators time by doing this in two steps, and forcing them to do the work twice. I cannot say that I have read the stuff in these dialogs (except when editing them) for at least 20 years,

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

On Thursday, 29 February 2024 23:13:55 CET Holger Wansing wrote: > > in which I'm recommending setting no password for root, which then gives > > the initial user 'sudo' membership[1]. > > What about the "Allow login as root?" question (only shown in expert mode), > which is asked directly before

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Hi, Philip Hands wrote (Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:53:10 +0100): > Depending upon whether we think it's worth using translators' time on > this subject, we can then select one or both commits, and finally close > these bugs. I think it would be worth it to generate some work for translators here, yes.

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Pascal Hambourg writes: > On 25/02/2024 at 01:17, Matthew Wilcox wrote: >> >> I just did an installation with the 2024-02-24 >> debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso image. I forget the exact wording >> used, but when setting up a user, d-i printed advice that user passwords >> should be changed

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

On 25/02/2024 at 01:17, Matthew Wilcox wrote: I just did an installation with the 2024-02-24 debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso image. I forget the exact wording used, but when setting up a user, d-i printed advice that user passwords should be changed frequently. This is no longer current good

Bug#1064617: Passwords should not be changed frequently

Package: debian-installer I just did an installation with the 2024-02-24 debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso image. I forget the exact wording used, but when setting up a user, d-i printed advice that user passwords should be changed frequently. This is no longer current good advice (since 2017):