Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-07 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org writes: On 5 September 2013 20:58, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: Quoting Bjørn Mork (bj...@mork.no): So, it's probably less overkill than it may

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-06 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 5 September 2013 20:58, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: Quoting Bjørn Mork (bj...@mork.no): So, it's probably less overkill than it may seem at first glance to imagine that installing headers by default may help in some cases. I hope and

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-06 Thread Bjørn Mork
Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org writes: On 5 September 2013 20:58, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: Quoting Bjørn Mork (bj...@mork.no): So, it's probably less overkill than it may seem at first glance to imagine that installing headers by default

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: If we begin installing it by default, users should come to just expect that they can build kernel modules from source without doing anything more than a make, which will be a good thing. Really? I seriously doubt that. It's about as good as making it

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
Bjørn Mork wrote: Really? I seriously doubt that. It's about as good as making it easier for the users to replace the default libc or init system with a non- Debian package. I have never needed to replace libc in order to make my laptop's wifi work. -- see shy jo signature.asc

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-05 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 4 September 2013 22:03, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org wrote: Package: base-installer Severity: normal The CD images include linux-headers packages, but d-i does not install these by default. I think that it should, so that if the user needs to build out of tree kernel modules they don't need

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org writes: My latest ultra notebook doesn't have ethernet port and needs out-of-the-tree wifi drivers compiled. I fetched the tarball off github on my phone transferred it to that notebook over USB and then compiled. And this is the preferred solution, which

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: I managed to compiled because I joyfully discovered that default Ubuntu installations do install gcc and linux-headers unconditionally. Noticing a this laptop worked for me on Ubuntu page that treated installing necessary out of kernel modules as (rightly) no big deal,

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-05 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 5 September 2013 15:07, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org writes: My latest ultra notebook doesn't have ethernet port and needs out-of-the-tree wifi drivers compiled. I fetched the tarball off github on my phone transferred it to that notebook over USB and

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-05 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Bjørn Mork (bj...@mork.no): We can continue like this if you want. Or maybe you'd like to define your problem instead of your solution? I'm sorry to play this game, but have you noticed who sent this bug report? Then, have you ever looked at the changelog of any D-I package? In

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: Quoting Bjørn Mork (bj...@mork.no): We can continue like this if you want. Or maybe you'd like to define your problem instead of your solution? I'm sorry to play this game, but have you noticed who sent this bug report? Yes, which is all the

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-04 Thread Joey Hess
Package: base-installer Severity: normal The CD images include linux-headers packages, but d-i does not install these by default. I think that it should, so that if the user needs to build out of tree kernel modules they don't need to jump through the additional hoops of learning that Debian has

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2013-09-04 at 17:03 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Package: base-installer Severity: normal The CD images include linux-headers packages, but d-i does not install these by default. I think that it should, so that if the user needs to build out of tree kernel modules they don't need to jump

Bug#721869: install appropriate linux-headers

2013-09-04 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 05:03:46PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: The CD images include linux-headers packages, but d-i does not install these by default. Which distro does? A normal user does not need to build its own modules. We also don't install a toolchain, aka build-essential. Bastian -- No