Bug#915541: [Debian-med-packaging] Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 08:37:38PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > https://salsa.debian.org/med-team/parallel/-/blob/master/debian/patches/remove-overreaching-citation-request.patch). Hi all, sorry but how likely is it that we will break user scripts with this patch ?

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-16 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, While I was starting to prepare a non-maintainer upload to re-introduce the patch that removed --will-cite, I realized that the patch was already re-introduced in version 20210822+ds-2 (see

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-15 Thread Ole Tange
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 5:06 AM Sam Hartman wrote: : > This seems clearly within the power Debian grants individual maintainers > to either keep the citation notice or to remove it. I hope my stance is clear: I want to have an income from developing free software. The citation notice indirectly

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-13 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/09/21 at 21:47 +0200, Ole Tange wrote: > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:06 AM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > : > > (1) the wording almost requires citation > > I take this as you agree that it does not require citation. [...] > > With a wrong eye, one could even see it as extortion/blackmail. > >

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-12 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ole" == Ole Tange writes: Ole> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:06 AM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Ole> : >> (1) the wording almost requires citation Ole> I take this as you agree that it does not require Ole> citation. Also you do not point to how the default behaviour of

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-11 Thread Ole Tange
On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:06 AM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: : > (1) the wording almost requires citation I take this as you agree that it does not require citation. Also you do not point to how the default behaviour of the current version of GNU Parallel conflicts with Debian's standards. If you

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-07 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 03/09/21 at 08:04 -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:50 AM Tobias Frost wrote: > > > > But as said earlier: This is not a license issue; the license of GNU > > parallel > > would allow removal, but this would make upstream sad. > > The status quo is likely to mke

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-07 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/09/21 at 20:56 +0200, Ole Tange wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 5:05 PM Felix Lechner > wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:50 AM Tobias Frost wrote: > > > > > > But as said earlier: This is not a license issue; the license of GNU > > > parallel > > > would allow removal, but this would

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-06 Thread Ole Tange
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 5:05 PM Felix Lechner wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:50 AM Tobias Frost wrote: > > > > But as said earlier: This is not a license issue; the license of GNU > > parallel > > would allow removal, but this would make upstream sad. > > The status quo is likely to mke our

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-03 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:50 AM Tobias Frost wrote: > > But as said earlier: This is not a license issue; the license of GNU parallel > would allow removal, but this would make upstream sad. > The status quo is likely to mke our users sad, though. Maybe the debconf system can provide a

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-03 Thread Tobias Frost
On Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 08:44:49AM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Tobias" == Tobias Frost writes: > > Tobias> as explained earlier: click-wraps are no-no's. > By this dxo you mean > > 1) clip wraps are incompatible with the DFSG? (I agree only if > something in the license prevents you

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-09-03 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Tobias" == Tobias Frost writes: Tobias> as explained earlier: click-wraps are no-no's. By this dxo you mean 1) clip wraps are incompatible with the DFSG? (I agree only if something in the license prevents you from removing them) 2) Click wraps are a no-go in something you maintain?

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-31 Thread Ole Tange
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 8:26 AM Andreas Tille wrote: > > since this issue becomes complex I'd like to bring up it at debian-legal > list for advise. In disagreements it often helps to first agree on what the parties disagree on. That way you can put aside the parts you agree on. Maybe this can

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-31 Thread Tobias Frost
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 07:22:52PM +0200, Ole Tange wrote: > To me it would feel similar to a dialog box, where you have to click > "Don't show this again" to continue the first time. This is not that > uncommon in graphical tools, so there is some precedence for this. as explained earlier:

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-31 Thread Tobias Frost
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 07:22:52PM +0200, Ole Tange wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 3:38 PM Andreas Tille wrote: > : > > I admit I also considered a wrapper but with a different functionality: > > Simply check whether --citation was used before and if not do so. > > If you mean a wrapper

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-30 Thread Ole Tange
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 3:38 PM Andreas Tille wrote: : > I admit I also considered a wrapper but with a different functionality: > Simply check whether --citation was used before and if not do so. If you mean a wrapper similar to this, then that would be a compromise I can live with: if [ -t 2

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-30 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 06:18:20AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > > Can we ship GNU Parallel with a small wrapper that removes the notice? > Being text-based, it would not modify the software at all. I am > thinking about something like: > > $ echo 'NOTICE: Wanted output.' | perl -pe '{

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-30 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 08:08:26AM +0200, Ole Tange wrote: > > > > If you want to remove the citation notice ... > > nothing else gives you the right to change it. Can we ship GNU Parallel with a small wrapper that removes the notice? Being text-based, it would not modify the software at

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-30 Thread Tobias Frost
Hi Andreas, On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 08:25:29AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > since this issue becomes complex I'd like to bring up it at debian-legal > list for advise. > > Kind regards > > Andreas. > (usual disclaimer: IANAL. This below is only are few cents and thought on the

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-30 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, since this issue becomes complex I'd like to bring up it at debian-legal list for advise. Kind regards Andreas. On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 08:08:26AM +0200, Ole Tange wrote: > Ian Turner wrote: > > On 8/28/21 7:41 AM, Andreas Tille wrote: > >>I updated the patch in Git[1] but did not

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-30 Thread Ole Tange
Ian Turner wrote: > On 8/28/21 7:41 AM, Andreas Tille wrote: >>I updated the patch in Git[1] but did not yet activate it yet. I'm fine >>with uploading parallel with the patch activated if you really think we >>should disrespect the wish of the author and insist on plain GPL text. > > My reading

Bug#915541: [Debian-med-packaging] Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-28 Thread Étienne Mollier
Good day, Andreas Tille, on 2021-08-28: > Thanks for the patch. I'll upload this soon. I noticed a CITATIONS file at the root of the source code, which might contain information suitable for debian/upstream/metadata. I suppose it would be fair to reference Ole's work appropriately as we do for

Bug#915541: [Debian-med-packaging] Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 10:00:12PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: > Andreas Tille, on 2021-08-28: > > Thanks for the patch. I'll upload this soon. > > I noticed a CITATIONS file at the root of the source code, which > might contain information suitable for debian/upstream/metadata. > I suppose it

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-28 Thread Andreas Tille
Thanks for the patch. I'll upload this soon. On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 01:48:56PM -0400, Ian Turner wrote: > Thanks Andreas. > > On 8/28/21 12:57 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: > > Patches are always welcome. > > Attached is a patch that removes all mentions of the --bibtex or --citation > parameters,

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-28 Thread Ian Turner
Thanks Andreas. On 8/28/21 12:57 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: Patches are always welcome. Attached is a patch that removes all mentions of the --bibtex or --citation parameters, or demands for 1 EUR, throughout the codebase. It includes the patch you already committed, so it should serve

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 12:08:56PM -0400, Ian Turner wrote: > My reading of bug 905674 is that the citation notice has been previously > judged to be incompatible with the DFSG and that's why it was removed. > > Also ultimately Debian developers will have to make their own decision, > though if

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-28 Thread Ian Turner
On 8/28/21 7:41 AM, Andreas Tille wrote: I updated the patch in Git[1] but did not yet activate it yet. I'm fine with uploading parallel with the patch activated if you really think we should disrespect the wish of the author and insist on plain GPL text. My reading of bug 905674 is that the

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 06:47:51PM -0400, Ian Turner wrote: > Hi Andreas and other maintainers, > > It appears that upload 20210322+ds-1 for package parallel reverts the change > made in NMU upload 20161222-1.1. Is that intentional? I admit it is not intentional and was rather a regression.

Bug#915541: Removal of upstream "--will-cite" functionality has been reverted

2021-08-27 Thread Ian Turner
Hi Andreas and other maintainers, It appears that upload 20210322+ds-1 for package parallel reverts the change made in NMU upload 20161222-1.1. Is that intentional? Ian Turner