On Thu, 30 May 2024 at 15:41:50 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote:
> I also found another issue with this change in systemd. After the upload to
> unstable, 76 out of 264 mmdebstrap tests on jenkins.debian.net started to
> fail:
>
>
Hi,
Quoting Peter Pentchev (2024-05-30 10:33:08)
> > thank you for having discussed this change on d-devel and for adding
> > documentation to NEWS and release notes to announce this change. I also
> > think it is sensible to roll this only out on new installations and to keep
> > the behaviour
On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 08:35:47AM +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-05-28 01:54:08)
> > Thanks for the useful input, the following has been done:
> >
> > - existing installations pre-trixie will get an orphaned tmpfiles.d in
> > /etc/ that
Hi,
Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-05-28 01:54:08)
> Thanks for the useful input, the following has been done:
>
> - existing installations pre-trixie will get an orphaned tmpfiles.d in
> /etc/ that keeps the existing behaviour unchanged (no cleanup of
> /var/tmp)
> - openssh and tmux have been
On Wed, 2024-05-29 at 18:58 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> Hello,
>
> That is false dichotomy. data-loss will occur when people use /tmp or
> /var/tmp for persistent data-storage because "This has (for a couple
> of
> years) worked on Debian systems" not because "This has (for a couple
> of
>
On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 06:58:32PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> >> I think it is bad choice to deliberately have different behavior for
> >> freshly installed and upgraded systems. Offering upgrades has always
> >> been one of the major selling points of Debian, and imho this
> >> implicitely
On 2024-05-29 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 28, Andreas Metzler wrote:
>> I think it is bad choice to deliberately have different behavior for
>> freshly installed and upgraded systems. Offering upgrades has always
>> been one of the major selling points of Debian, and imho this
>> implicitely
On May 28, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> I think it is bad choice to deliberately have different behavior for
> freshly installed and upgraded systems. Offering upgrades has always
> been one of the major selling points of Debian, and imho this
> implicitely includes that you do not get a worse or
On 2024-05-28 Luca Boccassi
wrote:
[...]
> - existing installations pre-trixie will get an orphaned tmpfiles.d in
> /etc/ that keeps the existing behaviour unchanged (no cleanup of
> /var/tmp)
[...]
Hello,
I think it is bad choice to deliberately have different behavior for
freshly installed
On Sun, 5 May 2024 at 21:04, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 19:42:37 +0200 Michael Biebl
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Eric
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:12:48 + Eric Desrochers
> > wrote:
> > > Package: systemd
> > > Version: 245.7-1
> > > Severity: normal
> > >
> > > Dear Maintainer,
> > what would break where, and how to fix it? I only found autopkgtest
> so
> > far, which uses /tmp/ in the guest and expects it to survive across
> > reboots, and I have a MR up already for that. Anything else?
>
> Perhaps whatever makes these files in /tmp? i think something to do
> with
>
The /tmp/ as tmpfs discussion is funny to me because while we've been kicking
around the idea of whether or not to clean /tmp/, having /tmp/ as a tmpfs makes
that whole argument moot. It all goes away at boot time! Problem solved! :D
Honestly, I see this one as a much easier topic, assuming
Similarly, I’m following the thread for a couple of days now, and wondering
about its implications.
When I consider server scenarios, pushing /tmp to RAM looks highly undesirable
from my perspective. All the servers I manage use their whole RAMs and using
the unused space as a disk cache is
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 10:38:14AM +0200, Carsten Leonhardt wrote:
> Luca Boccassi writes:
>
> > Defaults are defaults, they are trivially and fully overridable where
> > needed if needed. Especially container and VM managers these days can
> > super trivially override them via SMBIOS Type11
Luca Boccassi writes:
> Defaults are defaults, they are trivially and fully overridable where
> needed if needed. Especially container and VM managers these days can
> super trivially override them via SMBIOS Type11 strings or
> Credentials, ephemerally and without changing the guest image at
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 11:48, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> Am 06.05.24 um 12:18 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
> > Defaults are defaults, they are trivially and fully overridable where
> > needed if needed. Especially container and VM managers these days can
> > super trivially override them via SMBIOS Type11
Am 06.05.24 um 12:18 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
Defaults are defaults, they are trivially and fully overridable where
needed if needed. Especially container and VM managers these days can
super trivially override them via SMBIOS Type11 strings or
Credentials, ephemerally and without changing the
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 09:40, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> We have two separate issues here:
>
> a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs
> b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp
>
> I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately.
>
> Regarding a/:
> tmp.mount as shipped by systemd uses the following mount
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 06:36, Paul Gevers wrote:
>
> Hi Luca,
>
> On 05-05-2024 10:04 p.m., Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> > Hence, I intend to apply these changes in the next src:systemd upload
> > to unstable, probably next week.
>
> > In case anybody is aware of packages/programs needing an update
Am 05.05.24 um 22:04 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
This will be mentioned in NEWS (and I guess in the release notes when
the time comes), together with the instructions to override for anybody
wanting to keep the old behaviour, which is as trivial as:
..
touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf
This
clone 966621 -1
reassign -1 release-notes
thanks
On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 10:40:00AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> We have two separate issues here:
>
> a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs
> b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp
>
> I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately.
very much
We have two separate issues here:
a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs
b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp
I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately.
Regarding a/:
tmp.mount as shipped by systemd uses the following mount options:
"mode=1777,strictatime,nosuid,nodev,size=50%"
In the past
Hi Luca,
On 05-05-2024 10:04 p.m., Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Hence, I intend to apply these changes in the next src:systemd upload
> to unstable, probably next week.
In case anybody is aware of packages/programs needing an update to cope
with these changes, or any other issue, please let me know
On Sun, 5 May 2024 at 22:22, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
>
> > In case anybody is aware of packages/programs needing an update to cope
> > with these changes, or any other issue, please let me know and I will
> > file bugs.
>
> in localslackirc@.service
>
> ReadWritePaths=/var/tmp
>
> It uses /var/tmp
On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 19:42:37 +0200 Michael Biebl
wrote:
>
> Hi Eric
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:12:48 + Eric Desrochers
> wrote:
> > Package: systemd
> > Version: 245.7-1
> > Severity: normal
> >
> > Dear Maintainer,
> >
> > Debian systemd implementation does not clean
> > /var/tmp by
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