Am 07.11.2023 um 19:50 schrieb Thorsten Glaser :
>> Small but important. A system without (a running) logging daemon is not
>
> Hmh, but…
> “From bookworm, rsyslog is no longer installed by default.”
I'm solely talking about system upgrades. Which — at last in my world — happen
much more
(getting OT…)
On Tue, 7 Nov 2023, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>Am Mo., 6. Nov. 2023 um 21:09 Uhr schrieb Axel Beckert :
>> Debian is about choice, not about spoon-feeding users and leaving them
>> without choice in many places like at least one well-known Debian
>> derivative does.
Yeah, I wish.
On Tue, 7 Nov 2023, Patrik Schindler wrote:
>Reiterating what I've stated in #1055466 in other words… leaving aside
>recommends-are-default, missing recommends IMHO should not half-break a
>system at upgrade time.
Yes… but, again, that was a rather new thing back then.
>> In trixie, o-s-s
Am 07.11.2023 um 10:58 schrieb Matthew Vernon :
> do feel free to propose some text for them).
How would be the proper way to do so?
> If you find future init scripts missing that aren't in
> orphan-sysvinit-scripts and the relevant package maintainer isn't willing to
> restore them, do file
Hi,
On 07/11/2023 01:14, Patrik Schindler wrote:
Am 07.11.2023 um 01:59 schrieb Thorsten Glaser :
I have sysvinit-core installed and orphan-sysvinit-scripts was not pulled in
automatically.
Yeah, it’s not.
As I'm learning from a discussion in bug #1055466, this is due to
Am Mo., 6. Nov. 2023 um 21:09 Uhr schrieb Axel Beckert :
>
> Debian is about choice, not about spoon-feeding users and leaving them
> without choice in many places like at least one well-known Debian
> derivative does.
You must be stuck at 2004. Debian has been Canonical's changing room since
Am 07.11.2023 um 02:28 schrieb Thorsten Glaser :
>> As I'm learning from a discussion in bug #1055466, this is due to
>> orphan-sysvinit-scripts "only" being recommended and not a hard dependency.
>
> Recommends count, they are installed by default since, uh, lenny or so (a
> decision I still
On Tue, 7 Nov 2023, Patrik Schindler wrote:
>>> I have sysvinit-core installed and orphan-sysvinit-scripts was not pulled
>>> in automatically.
>> Yeah, it’s not.
>
>As I'm learning from a discussion in bug #1055466, this is due to
>orphan-sysvinit-scripts "only" being recommended and not a hard
Am 07.11.2023 um 01:59 schrieb Thorsten Glaser :
>> I have sysvinit-core installed and orphan-sysvinit-scripts was not pulled in
>> automatically.
> Yeah, it’s not.
As I'm learning from a discussion in bug #1055466, this is due to
orphan-sysvinit-scripts "only" being recommended and not a hard
On Tue, 7 Nov 2023, Patrik Schindler wrote:
>I have sysvinit-core installed and orphan-sysvinit-scripts was not
>pulled in automatically.
Yeah, it’s not. The release notes should have mentioned this,
but for some reason, no text made it there.
>For Debian 11, there was no need for this package
Am 06.11.2023 um 21:20 schrieb Matthias Geiger :
> This is caused by package maintainers just dropping init scripts, and not
> honoring the GR about init systems in Debian.
May I ask you to elaborate? What is GR?
> The init-diversity team has been putting a lot of work into maintaining
>
Hi,
Patrik Schindler wrote:
> After I've upgraded my server to Bookworm today, I'll now do a rollback from
> backup because of numerous issues with many services not coming up
> anymore.
Works fine for me, especially in Bookworm. Running servers as well as
workstations with it.
> For this
On 06.11.23 21:09, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2023, Patrik Schindler wrote:
For this reason, I propose to remove SysVinit completely from the next Debian
Uhm NO‽
*shaking head*,
//mirabilos
This is caused by package maintainers just dropping init scripts, and
not honoring the GR
On Mon, 6 Nov 2023, Patrik Schindler wrote:
>For this reason, I propose to remove SysVinit completely from the next Debian
Uhm NO‽
*shaking head*,
//mirabilos
Package: sysvinit-core
Version: 3.06-4
Severity: wishlist
After I've upgraded my server to Bookworm today, I'll now do a rollback from
backup because of numerous issues with many services not coming up anymore.
All due to the decreasing willingness of maintainers to support SysVinit, by
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