Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)

2012-08-24 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 05:59:47AM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Philipp Kern (pk...@debian.org): PS: No, I'm not happy it's closed. But I find it riduculous if you add another CPU that you cannot control to load firmware, like a free mobile handset did. And then it's

Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)

2012-08-21 Thread borish
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/ Well, I know how to solve my problem, but this doesn't help the unexperienced user who might ditch Debian if wifi doesn't work and install Ubuntu instead. Ubuntu supports non-free firmware during install. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)

2012-08-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 06:41:59PM +0200, borish wrote: Well, I know how to solve my problem, but this doesn't help the unexperienced user who might ditch Debian if wifi doesn't work and install Ubuntu instead. Ubuntu supports non-free firmware during install. I don't think Debian should

Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)

2012-08-21 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:41 PM, borish wrote: Well, I know how to solve my problem, but this doesn't help the unexperienced user who might ditch Debian if wifi doesn't work and install Ubuntu instead. Ubuntu supports non-free firmware during install. Presumably inexperienced (but proactive)

Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)

2012-08-21 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:49:00PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: After all if they don't learn that their wifi requires non-free software to work, then what is the point of even having Debian promise to be all free software? Mostly because it's firmware; it doesn't run on the CPU. I for one

Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)

2012-08-21 Thread Didier Raboud
Le mardi, 21 août 2012 20.48:39, Philipp Kern a écrit : And then it's free!!111 It's not all clear to me what a GR on a seperate section for firmware would yield. (Especially given the fact that users now need to activate the whole of non-free to get the firmware they need.

Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)

2012-08-21 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Philipp Kern (pk...@debian.org): PS: No, I'm not happy it's closed. But I find it riduculous if you add another CPU that you cannot control to load firmware, like a free mobile handset did. And then it's free!!111 It's not all clear to me what a GR on a seperate section for firmware