Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 12:40:20PM -0800, Alexander Hvostov wrote: My memory (768 MB) is running at 133 MHz and it takes less then 3 secs on my computer (1.44 MHz Celeron), so you could be true there. But that would mean approx. 50 MB transfer? While /var/lib/dpkg/available is less then 10

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-20 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:04:24PM +0100, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: Josh Narins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? Hmmm... I'm sure the 386 I installed years ago is still somewhere, but

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-18 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 02:19, Julen Landa Alustiza wrote: Another question: Is there any version of nmap or another good port scanner that supports ipv6? Serial-ATA is not, as far as I know, based on IPv6. cheers -- vbi -- featured link: http://fortytwo.ch/smtp signature.asc Description:

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-18 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 22:45, David Dumortier wrote: Hello Does anybody know: is there an easy way to monitor cache efficiency in Linux? (x86) If it exists, it must to laws of Heisenberg. Who know h value ? It would require hardware support - that's why I specifically asked about x86. I

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-18 Thread Shawn McMahon
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 01:31:33PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder said: Serial-ATA is not, as far as I know, based on IPv6. Yes, but is it backwards-compatible? Or is there some kind of adapter for the cable? Answers, man, we need answers! How can I use Debian to increase my

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-18 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 13:49, Shawn McMahon wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 01:31:33PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder said: Serial-ATA is not, as far as I know, based on IPv6. Yes, but is it backwards-compatible? Or is there some kind of adapter for the cable? Answers,

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-18 Thread criggie
On 18 Jan 2003 20:33:03 +0100 Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 13:49, Shawn McMahon wrote: Hmmm. This reminds me of my old project of a transatlantic SCSI cable...(after all, there are some IP-over-SCSI patches floating around, I believe).

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-18 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 01:30:25PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 22:45, David Dumortier wrote: Does anybody know: is there an easy way to monitor cache efficiency in Linux? (x86) If it exists, it must to laws of Heisenberg. Who know h value ?

Re: recycling computing power (was: Re: debian-trivia)

2003-01-17 Thread Richard Steuer
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:01:42 -0500 Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 08:39:04PM +0100, Philippe Seidel said: Anyway, I think [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the best use for such computers. This is even the peer group for the SETI project =) distributed.net. In that

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-17 Thread Julen Landa Alustiza
Another question: Is there any version of nmap or another good port scanner that supports ipv6? -- Julen Landa Alustiza mundurat.net eko administraria [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-17 Thread Rob Starling
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:19:59AM +0100, Julen Landa Alustiza wrote: Is there any version of nmap or another good port scanner that supports ipv6? from: http://www.insecure.org/nmap/data/CHANGELOG Nmap 3.10ALPHA1 o IPv6 is now supported for TCP scan (-sT), connect()-style ping

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-17 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Julen Landa Alustiza said: Another question: Is there any version of nmap or another good port scanner that supports ipv6? What's the matter with with nmap -6? -- -- | Stephen Gran

recycling computing power (was: Re: debian-trivia)

2003-01-16 Thread Philippe Seidel
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 01:47, Martin Baehr wrote: You're talking to someone who uses a Celeron 400 as Gateway, Firewall, Samba and mailserver and thinks this is a pityful waste of computing power. The thing is: I haven't got anything which is slower any more =) i'd be willing to trade

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-15 Thread Otto Visser
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 21:40, Alexander Hvostov wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 11:43, Otto Visser wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 19:51, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 19:29, Alexander Hvostov wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 00:52, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-14 Thread Shawn McMahon
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 08:40:57AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt said: So it serial-ATA backwards compatible? Yes, I think. -- Shawn McMahon| Emacs: It's a nice OS, but to compete with AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | Linux or Windows it needs a better text AIM home: smcmahoneiv| editor.

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-14 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 10:51, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 19:29, Alexander Hvostov wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 00:52, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:17:00PM +0100, Geert-Jan Hut wrote: the system is reasonably fast. Dselect still

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-14 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 11:43, Otto Visser wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 19:51, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 19:29, Alexander Hvostov wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 00:52, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:17:00PM +0100, Geert-Jan Hut wrote:

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-14 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 06:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn McMahon [2003-01-13, 08.16 -0500]: Serial-ATA 150 drives and controllers are available now. SATA controllers and drives include DRM functionality, don't they? I think I read something like that a couple of weeks ago (and

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 15:32, David Dumortier wrote: Hello, At work, I had installed several 486 as gateway (three and there 3 others servers on potato an 1 old 386 with 8 cdrom's on slink). Nethermind [cutcotcut] Here's some suggestions: Think there're some better cut to do ...

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 00:52, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:17:00PM +0100, Geert-Jan Hut wrote: the system is reasonably fast. Dselect still uses about 10 seconds every time I go to the 'select' screen, but otherwise it is very workable... I just That's not too bad,

[Fwd: Re: debian-trivia]

2003-01-12 Thread Philippe Seidel
This mail didn't go to the mailing list. -Forwarded Message- From: Stephan Schmieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philippe Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: debian-trivia Date: 11 Jan 2003 01:49:40 +0100 On 11 Jan 2003 00:46:36 +0100 Philippe Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Josh Narins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? Hmmm... I'm sure the 386 I installed years ago is still somewhere, but it's been plugged off the net for quite a while. But even that would be

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Otto Visser
On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 19:51, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 19:29, Alexander Hvostov wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 00:52, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:17:00PM +0100, Geert-Jan Hut wrote: the system is reasonably fast. Dselect still

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Michael Beattie
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 08:43:01PM +0100, Otto Visser wrote: My memory (768 MB) is running at 133 MHz and it takes less then 3 secs on my computer (1.44 MHz Celeron), so you could be true there. But that Sweet! should go well on my handspring then! Mike. -- Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 07:51:38PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: If the CPU were the bottleneck, the Athlon should be much faster. I guess it's memory access, which would explain the roughly equal time for a machine with roughly a factor 3 difference in raw CPU speed (yes,

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 10:29:17AM -0800, Alexander Hvostov wrote: Just under 6 seconds here. Pentium II (Deschutes) @ 400 MHz (800 BogoMIPS), 384 MB RAM (66 MHz SDRAM), and an overwhelmingly cool WD1200JB (120 GB, 8 MB buffer, ~8000 RPM, UDMA 33) hard drive. The bottleneck appears to be the

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Evan Prodromou
HM == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HM Are UDMA 133 controllers available yet? I've had a Maxtor HM drive capable of it for nearly a year, but no controller. I just picked up a Promise 133 controller yesterday, along with a couple of 40Gb Maxtor 133 drives. So, yes, they

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-12 Thread Andreas von Heydwolff
Evan Prodromou wrote: HM == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HM Are UDMA 133 controllers available yet? I've had a Maxtor HM drive capable of it for nearly a year, but no controller. I just picked up a Promise 133 controller yesterday, along with a couple of 40Gb Maxtor 133

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 12:46:36AM +0100, Philippe Seidel wrote: On Mit, 2003-01-08 at 22:47, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 09:07:40PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: It even takes too long (considering the task of 'simply' display a list) on a PII

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-11 Thread criggie
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:01:55 +1100 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 12:46:36AM +0100, Philippe Seidel wrote: Well I'm using a PII 350 for almost four years now and it serves me perfectly. Well, don't get offended because I said your computer was old. Debian

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-09 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 22:47, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 09:07:40PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: It even takes too long (considering the task of 'simply' display a list) on a PII 350MHz with enough RAM. And I don't consider this an old machine.

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-09 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 05:22:58PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:47:14AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt said: Well in all fairness it would be at least four years old. We use works better on old hardware as a selling point for Linux. We can't have it both ways. It works

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-09 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Florian Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hmm, woody on a 386sx25 running here :) 10mb ram, 40mb swap 180mb hdd, online, but no static ip booting until bash prompt takes 6 minutes, without starting apache 4min. :) unfortunately i dunno how to deploy this baby, it sits right beside

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-09 Thread James Seward
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 09:07:40PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: It even takes too long (considering the task of 'simply' display a list) on a PII 350MHz with enough RAM. And I don't consider this an old machine. Last night I was playing with Debian on a Psion 5MX. You

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-09 Thread Shawn McMahon
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:00:25PM +, Hugh Saunders said: this whole thread is a tribute to how linux makes old hardware usefull, the last posts are sugguestions for how we can make old hardware even more usefull by tuning stuff. Except the one to which I replied, and which I quoted,

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-09 Thread Robert Waldner
On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:46:27 +1100, Hamish Moffatt writes: Running woody, on this SS1 (although BenC mused aloud about dropping support for the sun4c-arch :( - so it may well go the OpenBSD route when sid becomes stable). Is this akin to dropping i386 support in favour of i686? Judging

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-09 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:47:43PM +0100, Robert Waldner wrote: On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:46:27 +1100, Hamish Moffatt writes: Running woody, on this SS1 (although BenC mused aloud about dropping support for the sun4c-arch :( - so it may well go the OpenBSD route when sid becomes stable).

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-09 Thread Robert Waldner
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:50:13 +1100, Hamish Moffatt writes: So what kind of machines are sun4c? How old are they? Sun SparcStation 1/1+, IPC are the ones I know of, built around 1990 AFAICT, bICBW. Seems like a dangerous precedent to me. hmm. cheers, rw -- -- Q: What is the difference

Re: Debian in few MB [Was Re: debian-trivia]

2003-01-08 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 21:21, Andreas von Heydwolff wrote: Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: How do you install a Debian machine with e.g. only 8 MB? What a great thread! Am not feeling alone any more with my 486/25 or some such laptop, 8MB RAM, 200MB hdd which almost makes me feel like a

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-08 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:17:00PM +0100, Geert-Jan Hut wrote: the system is reasonably fast. Dselect still uses about 10 seconds every time I go to the 'select' screen, but otherwise it is very workable... I just That's not too bad, it takes nearly 5 on my 1.2 GHz Athlon machine! Hamish --

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-08 Thread Evan Prodromou
AH == Alexander Hvostov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AH That should be a good start. Anyone care to comment? Yes. I'm no genius, but even to a dunderhead like me, it seems like the Debian package mechanism is getting quite creaky with age. Something that scaled well for a package catalog in

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-08 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 09:07:40PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: It even takes too long (considering the task of 'simply' display a list) on a PII 350MHz with enough RAM. And I don't consider this an old machine. Well in all fairness it would be at least four years old.

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-08 Thread Shawn McMahon
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:47:14AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt said: Well in all fairness it would be at least four years old. We use works better on old hardware as a selling point for Linux. We can't have it both ways. -- Shawn McMahon| Emacs: It's a nice OS, but to compete with AIM

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-08 Thread Hugh Saunders
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 05:22:58PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:47:14AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt said: Well in all fairness it would be at least four years old. We use works better on old hardware as a selling point for Linux. We can't have it both ways. this

Re: debian-trivia Re: Evan Prodromou's comment

2003-01-08 Thread Paul E Condon
I also make no claim to genius, but I have long felt that a system that was based on ideas of relational database with a multiple descriptor attributes that could be searched using a query language would be great for the user. The present system has a purely hierarchical structure. This

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Josh Narins
I read that and thought god bless you and I'm a devout atheist :) --- Steve M. Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:51:22PM +0100, Amaya wrote: Steve M. Robbins dijo: Since July of 2000, it's been running Debian linux as my firewall at home. That's SO

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Josh Narins
For the record, when I wrote that, I was thinkig single piece of machinery now? i don't care --- J� Fahlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Son, 5. Jan 2003, 08:45:38 -0800 schrieb Josh Narins: How about the most expensive? http://helics.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de maybe. It's a cluster at

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Hugh Saunders
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 04:33:47PM -0500, Steve M. Robbins wrote: On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 08:45:38AM -0800, Josh Narins wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? I've got an old 386 machine that I bought in early 1992

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Émile
Le dim 05/01/2003 à 17:45, Josh Narins a écrit : Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? Not pingable (behind a proxy/firewall of my university) but fully functional, a 5x486dx33 cluster running debian potato (you can see him here

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread vdongen
PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:19:15 +0100 Subject: Re: debian-trivia On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 08:45:38AM -0800, Josh Narins wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? How about the least expensive machine, in real

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Robert Waldner
Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? Well, there are still plenty of sun4c-machines around ;) cpu : Fujitsu MB86900/1A or LSI L64831 SparcKIT-40 fpu : Weitek WTL3170/2 promlib : Version 0

Debian in few MB [Was Re: debian-trivia]

2003-01-07 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Thomas PARIS wrote: On Sun Jan 5 at 08:45 (-0800), Josh Narins wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? For a friend of mine I installed potato on a 386/4MB/100MB. Had to cheat to do it, that is to put the hard drive in

Re: Debian in few MB [Was Re: debian-trivia]

2003-01-07 Thread Markus Pfeifer
How do you install a Debian machine with e.g. only 8 MB? The 'installing debian on 4MB RAM - HOWTO': http://squat.net/puscii/doc/debian-lowmem.html Mk

Re: Debian in few MB [Was Re: debian-trivia]

2003-01-07 Thread Markus Pfeifer
http://squat.net/puscii/doc/debian-lowmem.html I forgot to say that it's in very broken english, but i left it unedited as the writers frenchy english is very funny. Mk

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Thomas PARIS
On Mon Jan 6 at 11:58 (-0800), Alexander Hvostov wrote: For a friend of mine I installed potato on a 386/4MB/100MB. Had to cheat [...] You know, you don't have to install Debian to do that. Rolling a customized system with exactly what you need and nothing else might be a better solution.

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Florian Zimmermann
hmm, woody on a 386sx25 running here :) 10mb ram, 40mb swap 180mb hdd, online, but no static ip booting until bash prompt takes 6 minutes, without starting apache 4min. :) unfortunately i dunno how to deploy this baby, it sits right beside my dsl-gateway, so perhaps it could serve the apache.

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Geert-Jan Hut
On Sunday 05 January 2003 23:51, Amaya wrote: Steve M. Robbins dijo: Since July of 2000, it's been running Debian linux as my firewall at home. That's SO cool, but, is it running Woody? How do you keep up with security in hardware that old? My lapton is younger (P-200 MMX) and crawls with

Re: Debian in few MB [Was Re: debian-trivia]

2003-01-07 Thread Andreas von Heydwolff
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: How do you install a Debian machine with e.g. only 8 MB? What a great thread! Am not feeling alone any more with my 486/25 or some such laptop, 8MB RAM, 200MB hdd which almost makes me feel like a king among the low end guys 3:-) Anyway, the tarball method always

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:45:38 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? How about my Boyfriend's set-up? (http://winterwolf.co.uk/linux) In particular the Amiga 1200 (circa 1992) and the Sparcstation 1 (circa

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 02:49:19PM +0100, Robert Waldner wrote: Running woody, on this SS1 (although BenC mused aloud about dropping support for the sun4c-arch :( - so it may well go the OpenBSD route when sid becomes stable). Is this akin to dropping i386 support in favour of i686?

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 07:11:40PM +0100, Florian Zimmermann wrote: hmm, woody on a 386sx25 running here :) 10mb ram, 40mb swap 180mb hdd, online, but no static ip I don't think the oldest Debian box competition would be won buy a PC.. there must be some others which are older, perhaps some

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-07 Thread Evan Prodromou
JN == Josh Narins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JN Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still JN pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? I've got a pre-release (92, maybe) Jensen alpha machine running potato. It's not currently pingable, but should be back online soon.

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 13:06, criggie wrote: On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) Josh Narins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? No idea - but I have a 0.96r1 debian CD, and a 100 Mbit ISA

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Jö Fahlke
Am Son, 5. Jan 2003, 08:45:38 -0800 schrieb Josh Narins: How about the most expensive? http://helics.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de maybe. It's a cluster at position 35 on the top 500. Unfortunately they don't mention Debian on their homepage anymore. I'll go and ask them. Jö. -- Das Leben ist

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Yven Leist
On Monday 06 January 2003 09:39, Alexander Hvostov wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 13:06, criggie wrote: On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) Josh Narins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable?

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Yven Leist
On Monday 06 January 2003 09:41, Alexander Hvostov wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 20:35, Steve M. Robbins wrote: Running dselect on that machine is an exercise in patience, let me tell you ... Simple solution: don't run dselect. ;) Perhaps some of the APT front-ends are faster. Is anything

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Thomas PARIS
On Sun Jan 5 at 08:45 (-0800), Josh Narins wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? For a friend of mine I installed potato on a 386/4MB/100MB. Had to cheat to do it, that is to put the hard drive in another computer as 4MB

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 06:32, Marius Gedminas wrote: - Rather than storing data for each and every package in the single file '/var/lib/dpkg/{status,available}', store each package's data in its own file '/var/lib/dpkg/{status,available}/foo'. IMHO that would be *less* efficient. Ever

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread criggie
On 06 Jan 2003 06:02:58 -0800 Alexander Hvostov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it's high time dpkg received some serious optimization. The way in which the package control info is stored and processed is horribly inefficient. Here's some suggestions: - Rather than storing data for each and

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 11:52, criggie wrote: On 06 Jan 2003 06:02:58 -0800 Alexander Hvostov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it's high time dpkg received some serious optimization. The way in which the package control info is stored and processed is horribly inefficient. Here's some

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Yven Leist
On Monday 06 January 2003 22:54, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 06:02:58AM -0800, Alexander Hvostov wrote: Perhaps it's high time dpkg received some serious optimization. The way apt-get is also really slow on slow hardware, and it already has binary cache files I think. Hmm,

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 13:54, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 06:02:58AM -0800, Alexander Hvostov wrote: Perhaps it's high time dpkg received some serious optimization. The way apt-get is also really slow on slow hardware, and it already has binary cache files I think. So I've

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 14:35, Yven Leist wrote: On Monday 06 January 2003 22:54, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 06:02:58AM -0800, Alexander Hvostov wrote: Perhaps it's high time dpkg received some serious optimization. The way apt-get is also really slow on slow hardware,

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread David Dumortier
Hello, At work, I had installed several 486 as gateway (three and there 3 others servers on potato an 1 old 386 with 8 cdrom's on slink). Nethermind [cutcotcut] Here's some suggestions: Think there're some better cut to do ... perhaps don't install locale or better, dictionnaries ... on ?86

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-06 Thread Rudy -sh
For a friend of mine I installed potato on a 386/4MB/100MB. Had to cheat to do it, that is to put the hard drive in another computer as 4MB is not enough to install potato. And now that it is installed it can't do much as as soon as you log in it starts using the swap. But it does snip i

debian-trivia

2003-01-05 Thread Josh Narins
Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? How about the least expensive machine, in real or nominal terms, ever/still running Debian? How about the most expensive? Just curious. __

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-05 Thread criggie
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) Josh Narins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? No idea - but I have a 0.96r1 debian CD, and a 100 Mbit ISA nic and a 16 bit scsi HA waiting for the day I find

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-05 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 08:45:38AM -0800, Josh Narins wrote: Does anyone know the oldest piece of machinery, still pingable, running Debian? What about not pingable? I've got an old 386 machine that I bought in early 1992 that still runs well. It ran exclusively on linux right from the start,

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-05 Thread Amaya
Steve M. Robbins dijo: Since July of 2000, it's been running Debian linux as my firewall at home. That's SO cool, but, is it running Woody? How do you keep up with security in hardware that old? My lapton is younger (P-200 MMX) and crawls with SID. -- .''`. Help a man when he is in

Re: debian-trivia

2003-01-05 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:51:22PM +0100, Amaya wrote: Steve M. Robbins dijo: Since July of 2000, it's been running Debian linux as my firewall at home. That's SO cool, but, is it running Woody? Nope. I installed Potato and left it at that. How do you keep up with security in