Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 01:51:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: The lack of x87 wouldn't be a problem. At least, i386 still has the code left from the old days and will emulate it transparently; when such an amd64 CPU pops out the x87 emulation can be ported. In fact, it has a separate

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 11:40:03PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:24:35PM -0700, Blars Blarson wrote: (amd64 is only faster in 64-bit mode because of all the poorly designed x86 32-bit instruction set.) x86 32-bit

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 12:32:18PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Exactly. Isn't the x86_64 instruction set basicaly the same as ia32 just with a few extra opcodes and more registers? Any general fault in the instruction set should still remain. x86 processors have multiple modes with

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 12:32:18PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Exactly. Isn't the x86_64 instruction set basicaly the same as ia32 just with a few extra opcodes and more registers? Any general fault in the instruction set should still remain.

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:17:08AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: So goodbye to mmx, and various other crap thigns. x87 is supported on current CPUs but there are feature flags that will permit the removal of x87 support in the future. Both linux and windows encourage the use of sse instead

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 11:40:03PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:24:35PM -0700, Blars Blarson wrote: (amd64 is only faster in 64-bit mode because of all the poorly designed x86 32-bit instruction set.) x86 32-bit instruction set and designed in one sentence? Hah.

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:24:35PM -0700, Blars Blarson wrote: (amd64 is only faster in 64-bit mode because of all the poorly designed x86 32-bit instruction set.) x86 32-bit instruction set and designed in one sentence? Hah. -- Fun will now commence -- Seven Of Nine, Ashes to Ashes,

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: For those keeping score at home, notice that doing the much larger task of upgrading GCC's version is apparently easier than python's. Of course, if you read a little further in the message to -announce, you'll see the part about oh, and maybe we broke 1600

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-07 00:07]: For those keeping score at home, notice that doing the much larger task of upgrading GCC's version is apparently easier than python's. Of course, if you read a little further in the message to -announce, you'll see the part about oh,

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Anthony DeRobertis said: Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: For those keeping score at home, notice that doing the much larger task of upgrading GCC's version is apparently easier than python's. Of course, if you read a little further in the message to

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Thomas Bushnell BSG [Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:39:57 -0700]: For those keeping score at home, notice that doing the much larger task of upgrading GCC's version is apparently easier than python's. And shutting the^W^Wbitting one's tongue apparently more difficult than not! -- Adeodato Simó

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And it's also worth noting that the people interested in the transition filed bugs with patches for all but a few of them, which involved a massive amount of work. I suppose it's possible people interested in the python transition could do the same

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Thomas Bushnell BSG [Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:39:57 -0700]: For those keeping score at home, notice that doing the much larger task of upgrading GCC's version is apparently easier than python's. And shutting the^W^Wbitting one's tongue apparently more

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said: Actually, since the very same person sent the GCC 4.1 announcement, and is the maintainer of python-defaults... Since the python team have decided to leave the rest of us in the dark, all I can do is guess that the job of upgrading

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said: Actually, since the very same person sent the GCC 4.1 announcement, and is the maintainer of python-defaults... Since the python team have decided to leave the rest of us in the dark, all I can do

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't remember seeing any posts from you about the progress of the transition testing. Have you gotten very far with it? How much of the python using archive have you rebuilt and/or tested? I am sure python people and the general devel readers would

Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

2006-06-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The compilers from GCC 4.1 provide now the default compiler for etch for Ada, C, C++, Objc, ObjC++, Fortran95 and for the Java language. The packages are currently in the incoming queue and will hit the archive on Wed. June 7. Compilers for Fortran77