This is another update of the beta-test next-generation elvis
vi clone.
The author has asked that this not yet be made widely available.
Please put it in project/private/BETA. Interested debian maintainers
are invited to download it and provide feedback to the author.
Date: 09 Dec 95 18:14 UT
On Sat, 9 Dec 1995, Bill Mitchell wrote:
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, roro wrote:
And how to elegantly get rid of the huge /usr/lib/terminfo database
w/o installing and purging?
Good point. This sounds like a serious user-upgrade issue. This looks
like a dpkg-guru question.
On second
Having said all that, there's the .changes file for 1.9.8a:
Hi Mike,
I got your latest packages from ftp.pixar.com. All in all, things
look good. Here are my initial findings.
The -dev package provides virtual ncurses-dev package but it also
needs to conflict with it.
The symlinks for
'Ian Murdock wrote:'
How about installing the kernel headers directly in /usr/include,
rather than linking them into /usr/src? I always assumed this was
standard kernel practice. Apparently, I was wrong. Are there any
opinions on the subject?
The only problem I see would be if I upgrade my
It seems like this will cause the mirrors carrying 1.0 to download
the whole tree again. If we're going to do that, perhaps we should
have the debian-development (or whatever) be the directory tree and
debian-1.whatever be a symlink to it. That way, the next bump of
the version number
On Sat, 9 Dec 1995, Matthew Bailey wrote:
There is NO problem with uploads. The fact that I receive 10-5 mails a
day to ftpadmin about corrupt files in private/project/Incoming made me
opt for this method. This should be for INCOMING use only. the files will
be available as soon as the ftp
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, roro wrote:
Minor doc-bug in ncurses-1.9.8a/debian.README:
ncurses21 should read ncurses3.0
Blast, I thought I had parameterized that _everywhere_. Oh, well. It's
fixed.
I hope ncurses3.0 will be a stabile ABI, since a lot of packages depends
on it.
That's why I
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, roro wrote:
ncurses-base-1.9.8a-1.deb should have a debian.preinst to kill
the link etc/terminfo - ../usr/lib/terminfo provided by base-0.93.6.
Or it is intended that these fall into /usr/lib/terminfo?
No, it isn't. They are supposed to be totally disconnected. Thanks
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, David Engel wrote:
The -dev package provides virtual ncurses-dev package but it also
needs to conflict with it.
Oops. You told me that. Done.
The symlinks for lib*.so are in the runtime package. They should be
in the -dev package.
Makes sense. Done.
The shared
On Sat, 9 Dec 1995, Matthew Bailey wrote:
Bill: I will fix the upload permission as soon as I talk to Ian M. he
seems to be all but off the face of the earth.
I'm here--what do you need to talk to me about?
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Stephen Early wrote:
I think ncurses wins an award for most packages from one source archive.
...soon to be trumped by X, which is currently generating 24 packages
from one source archive.
Forgot about that one --- the whole group come from just the one source
package,
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
I apologize for my gaffe. Obviously I should pay better attention to my
mail, since it seems I glossed over the announcement of the change in
policy.
You didn't miss any mail, I had mailed Ian M. to tell him about this but
I just got 5
On Sat, 9 Dec 1995, Ian Murdock wrote:
On Sat, 9 Dec 1995, Matthew Bailey wrote:
Bill: I will fix the upload permission as soon as I talk to Ian M. he
seems to be all but off the face of the earth.
I'm here--what do you need to talk to me about?
Well everything has been on the list
Fernando Alegre writes:
On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Bruce Perens wrote:
We can't put stuff like this where just anybody can download it any
longer. Especially, we can't do that and call it 1.0. This isn't
entirely Infomagic's fault, in my opinion.
I suggested some time ago to call the directories:
How about installing the kernel headers directly in /usr/include,
rather than linking them into /usr/src? I always assumed this was
standard kernel practice. Apparently, I was wrong. Are there any
opinions on the subject?
I doubt it would affect a lot of people. But putting the includes
Hi all,
finally I have got my network connection up to speed with accepable
transfer rates when connected to european sites and I'm trying hard to
download David's work from ftp.ods.com, but at about 100 cps this is a
pain in the ...
With current phone rates that's 3.35DM/MB and will be as high
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Bruce Perens wrote:
We can't put stuff like this where just anybody can download it any
longer. Especially, we can't do that and call it 1.0. This isn't
entirely Infomagic's fault, in my opinion.
[...]
As I understand it,
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Chris Fearnley wrote:
'Ian Murdock wrote:'
How about installing the kernel headers directly in /usr/include,
rather than linking them into /usr/src? I always assumed this was
standard kernel practice. Apparently, I was wrong. Are there any
opinions on the subject?
It seems to me that a solution might be to put our real directory
trees in a hidden subdirectory with a neutral name, to name those
trees neutrally, and then to have meaningfully named (and easily
changed) symlinks pointing to them: Something like:
/debian/.hidden/debian-tree1/ # full 0.093
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Matthew Bailey wrote:
If you want an OUTGOING then someone will have to create one by manually
moving the files from Incoming over to OUTGOING.
Sounds reasonable to me. Files get uploaded to Incoming, and then
either moved directly or (my preference) moved into a
Is the procedure for upgrading an ncurses installation inherited
from 0.93R6 to ncurses-1.9.8a intuative and correct for non
debian-developers? (note -- I'm using dpkg-1.0.5).
Package installation succeeded without my removing ncurses-runtime
or ncurses-developer. How are users to users know
There is no symlink for libcurses.so. There should be one in the -dev
package.
OK. Jeff Noxon mentioned that a link for libtermcap.so might also be in
order---thoughts?
I have been told that this is undesirable for some autoconfed programs
with emacs being the most notable example. I
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
That's essentially identical to what I was proposing with just two
practical differences: (1) it uses numbers rather than names and (2)
it goes to more effort to hide things.
May be. I'm afraid I too-hurriedly deleted the message with your
PACKAGE: ncurses
VERSION: 1.9.8a-1
root:ae-493# infocmp linux
infocmp: couldn't open terminfo file /usr/lib/terminfo/l/linux.
root:ae-493# infocmp xterm
infocmp: couldn't open terminfo file /usr/lib/terminfo/x/xterm.
root:ae-493# ls /usr/lib/terminfo-l
ls: /usr/lib/terminfo-l: No such file or
PACKAGE: ncurses
VERSION: 1.9.8a-1
An attempt to use the kbs capability in a linux VC failed.
My BS key produces ^?, not ^H, and the compiled-in linux terminal
definition seems to have kbs set ti ^H (infocmp linux doesn't
work, so I can't check, but ctrl-h acts like the BS key should).
IMO, the
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, David Engel wrote:
I have been told that this is undesirable for some autoconfed programs
with emacs being the most notable example. I don't remember all of
the details but it has to do with forcing autoconf to use the
curses/termlib interface to ncurses instead of the
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Chris Fearnley wrote:
It doesn't make sense to me. I thought that the runtime package would
include all of the shared libraries that other programs might need.
It does.
Isn't that what lib*.so provide, the shared libraries? And the
symlinks are used by ld.so, no? On a
Package: xypic
Version: 3.2-3
Trying to configure xypic on a debian-1.0 (i.e. ALPHA) system fails
due to dependencies on texbin, mfbin, and mflib packages newer than
the ones currently available.
These seem to be the currently available (development) packages:
texbin-3.1415-4.deb
Richard0.93R6 - Highgate
RichardHighgate/ [contains 0.93R6]
RichardHolborn/[contains what will be 1.0]
Richard and after the release:
Richard0.93R6 - Highgate
RichardHighgate/ [contains 0.93R6]
Richard
I'm now uploading ncurses-1.9.8a-2 co. It is also available for ftp
from lot49.med.miami.edu:/pub/linux/ until it gets cleared at
ftp.debian.org.
Please don't release any packages that depend on this for a couple of days
at least. Anyone who's seeing problems with the current package, please
I have just created an Outgoing directory which has everything from the
Incoming directory in it.
These files are downloadable the files that go into incoming are still
set 0660.
I will move files into the Outgoing directory when I see a medium/urgent
tag in the change file. Or a developer
The symlinks for lib*.so are in the runtime package. They should be
in the -dev package.
Makes sense. Done.
It doesn't make sense to me. I thought that the runtime package would
include all of the shared libraries that other programs might need.
Isn't that what lib*.so provide, the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Robert Leslie writes:
Robert I don't know about other mirrors, but AFAICT tsx-11.mit.edu
Robert doesn't even carry the 0.93R6 release any more. It only offers
Robert debian-1.0.
It's getting jucier by the minute:
This domain has a local wuarchive mirror.
Matt == Matthew Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matt I am sorry to be an ass here but you have to understand
Matt these views. I am doing what is best for the University by
Matt not allowing for illegal software to be downloaded.
The point isn't downloading illegal software for
Package: hello
version: 1.3-4
Since ``hello'' is our reference package, it would be nice if the version
under the 1.? hierarchy had an ELF exacutable. It would also allow one
to use the package to confirm that a system is ready for elf executables
before replacing something essential.
--
The symbolic link makes life slightly easier for those of us who
need to maintain multiple kernel versions. However, I don't feel
strongly about it and I'm not the kernel maintainer any longer.
Thanks
Bruce
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Wouldn't that honor go to X11?
Bruce
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Making the parent directory unreadable caused mirror programs to not mirror
that directory. They might mirror the symlink, but it won't do much good.
Bruce
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
: I think we should arrive at a happy medium - uploads
: are verified against their .changes file and moved into an accessable
: area that is not their final resting place. Ian can then move them, with
: the confidence that their integrity has been checked,
Matt,
I think we can fight the juarez folks by making an automatic mechanism
to verify uploads against the .changes file and move them into a visible
area. If we want to verify the ID of the uploader we can have them PGP-sign
the .changes file. I think Ian wants to be the one to move the file
I personally don't have any objection to the software being distributed
from other sites as long as it has words like ALPHA-TEST in its pathname.
Bruce
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On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Bruce Perens wrote:
Making the parent directory unreadable caused mirror programs to not mirror
that directory. They might mirror the symlink, but it won't do much good.
Although they could mirror if they had a special userid/password (as I
believe has been set up)---they
That's essentially identical to what I was proposing with just two
practical differences: (1) it uses numbers rather than names and (2)
it goes to more effort to hide things.
May be. I'm afraid I too-hurriedly deleted the message with your
suggestion, and can't go back to re-read it to see if I
Package: base
Version: 0.93.6
The base package creates a group `audio' with GID 29 in /etc/group,
yet the following audio-related device files are set to be owned by
group 55, which is unmentioned in /etc/group :
/dev/mixer
/dev/midi00
/dev/sequencer
/dev/dsp
/dev/audio
/dev/sndstat
/dev/mixer1
I have removed the Incoming directory from ftp.pixar.com . The files
there still exist in ftp://ftp.pixar.com/pub/bruce/Debian . I'll delete
them after about 1 week.
Thanks
Bruce
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Package: diff
Version: 2.7
Revision: 5
This package provides no man pages for any of diff, diff3, sdiff, or
cmp.
Owen
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`I wish it didn't
Package: xbase
Version: 3.1.2
The xon in this package tries to use `hostname' to obtain your
machine's FQDN, rather than `hostname -f'.
The following diff shows the difference (usr/local/bin/xon is my fixed
version):
tacitus:~$ diff /usr/X11/bin/xon /usr/local/bin/xon
4a5,6
# Fixed 06/12/95
I'd like to suggest another field to be automatically added to the
Packages files that exist at the top of each hierarchy in the
distribution. I'd like to see a Checksum: field that can be used to
verify the correct download of these packages. I think including both
an 'md5sum' and a (filesize)
Package: nas
Version: 1.2p2
Revision: 1
The script /etc/init.d/nas to start and stop the Network Audio System
doesn't work, merely providing usage messages...
tacitus:/etc/init.d# nas start
Usage: /etc/init.d/nas {start|stop}
tacitus:/etc/init.d# nas stop
Usage: /etc/init.d/nas {start|stop}
Bdale Garbee writes:
Bdale This solves the problem, since Pending wouldn't allow uploads, and
Bdale only things that look like packages with changes files for which all
Bdale the pieces look intact would be copied. Scripting this doesn't seem
Bdale hard, either... wake up once in a
Michael Alan Dorman writes:
Michael Although they could mirror if they had a special userid/password
Michael (as I believe has been set up)---they would just have to do it in
Michael multiple parts...
As the maintainer of the mirror package, I am happy to confirm that you do
not need an
On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Owen S. Dunn wrote:
Package: diff
Version: 2.7
Revision: 5
This package provides no man pages for any of diff, diff3, sdiff, or
cmp.
Too true. It comes with info pages, which are not at all the same thing.
I think the current custom is to leave bug reports about
On Sun, 10 Dec 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there is interest I can post my ftp.debian.org file for mirror.
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http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd
I prefer that they use the extra accounts instead of a single file that
will do all the
On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Owen S. Dunn wrote:
Package: diff
Version: 2.7
Revision: 5
This package provides no man pages for any of diff, diff3, sdiff, or
cmp.
Too true. It comes with info pages, which are not at all the same thing.
I think the current custom is to leave bug reports
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