man page bad symlinks?

1998-04-16 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Lately, I've been getting a whole bunch of these warnings from man. These warnings have popped in and out over the past year or two of keeping up-to-date with Debian, and appear on EVERY hamm machine I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src]% man openproc 3:59PM

Re: Dumping core: root vs. normal user

1998-04-16 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi, Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : I'd check the ulimit, Nope, ulimit -c also outputs unlimited. What about the output of set -o, how does yours look like? Thanks, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311

Re: *** The Upcoming Release of Hamm ***

1998-04-16 Thread Hartmut Koptein
Can I propose the following ? When we get into this state we announce an `early beta' and delay the release for at least a further two weeks to see if any more release-necessary bugs arise, or if there is discussion about the status of a bug. Make it harder! From now on no new upstream

Re: Dumping core: root vs. normal user

1998-04-16 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On 15 Apr 1998, Eloy A. Paris wrote: Nope, ulimit -c also outputs unlimited. What about the output of set -o, how does yours look like? allexport off braceexpand on errexit off hashall on histexpand on keyword off monitor on noclobber off

Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?

1998-04-16 Thread Joey Hess
David Welton wrote: With all due respect, this seems more like a matter of local configuration on your part rather than what the standard for Debian should be. If we have decided that we want ctrl-alt-del to take the system down, then it should do it consistantly. My point is that since it

Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?

1998-04-16 Thread Joey Hess
Raul Miller wrote: I've several times been very glad ctrl-alt-del did not work in X. You see, my main server is often in X, another computer here isn't, and I typically get the keyboards confused and breath a huge sigh of relief when I realize X ignored the ctrl-alt-del. That can be

Re: Who has the dpkg source tree ?

1998-04-16 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: It will not have escaped the attention of the Project that dpkg hasn't been very well maintained of late. Klee seems to have dropped out of sight; I presume he's too busy doing paid work or something. I'm currently very busy with the leadership role

Re: dpkg memory usage

1998-04-16 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On `small memory' systems dpkg switches to a different data structure which is about twice as slow for general access on a big machine, but has a much smaller working set so is much faster for setup and access on small machines. dpkg uses sysinfo(2) to

dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Bob Hilliard
Hi, This is in response to your message of Wed, 8 Apr 1998. I apologize for taking so long to get back to you. As I said before, I am packaging dictd, containing the client server software developed by the DICT Group. There will be a number of separate packages containing the

Re: dpkg memory usage

1998-04-16 Thread rick
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: ... I also intend to change the format of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list database to make it faster to load, and I may change /var/lib/dpkg/status too. (The resulting structures will still be editable with emacs.) I've written a Regina REXX program to

Re: *** The Upcoming Release of Hamm ***

1998-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Hartmut == Hartmut Koptein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can I propose the following ? When we get into this state we announce an `early beta' and delay the release for at least a further two weeks to see if any more release-necessary bugs arise, or if there is discussion about the status of

Re: assorted bugs in 2.0 install

1998-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Alex == Alex Romosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex we got 4 new computers running debian (1.3.1) and in the process Alex of upgrading them to 2.0 i found the following problems: Alex (1) kernel-package doesn't know how to deal with spaces before Alex the block devices in the /etc/fstab

Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?

1998-04-16 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David A. van Leeuwen) wrote: I'd opt for a `shutdown' button on the XDM login screen. Right now there isn't a simple way of bringing the machine down---as far as i know. Even ctrl-alt-del doesn't work in XFree86. Of course, care should be taken that this can be done only

hey

1998-04-16 Thread seth
hey dude do you have the qcrack code

Re: assorted bugs in 2.0 install

1998-04-16 Thread Alex Romosan
I have now fixed this in my sources. I would appreciate a bug report on things like this, since it was mere happenstance that I noticed this message. Expect an upgrade in a day or so. i was going to do this eventually, i just first wanted to see what other people thought about this. i

Re: dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: I had been thinking about taking over the wordnet packages, but you got there first, and I won't argue about it. If you change your mind about them, let me know. I'm in the process of becomming a Debian maintainer. Unfortunately this process

where can i get debhelper and lintian

1998-04-16 Thread Julien Ortega
A man told me about these package but i dont know where i can find them. Are they far better than the debmake ? -- Julien Ortega -- EXTERN e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: where can i get debhelper and lintian

1998-04-16 Thread Martin Schulze
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 09:35:44AM +0200, Julien Ortega wrote: A man told me about these package but i dont know where i can find them. They're part of the distribution - hamm. The newest lintian is in the incoming since yesterday - and installed on master+va. Are they far better than the

Re: where can i get debhelper and lintian

1998-04-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 09:35:44AM +0200, Julien Ortega wrote: A man told me about these package but i dont know where i can find them. Are they far better than the debmake ? debhelper is a replacement for debmake. Unlike debmake, debhelper is composed of many different scripts; debmake is

MGL graphics library freed!

1998-04-16 Thread Enrique Zanardi
SciTech, the producers of MGL (a graphics library used to develop games like Hexen II and Quake for Windows) have decided to make that library open source software, by changing its license to a derivative of the MPL. (See their note at the GGI mail-list:

Re: non-free licences

1998-04-16 Thread Ronald Lembcke
Hi! Isn't mikmod free now? From sunsite: /apps/sound/players/mikmod-3.0.3.lsm Copying-policy: Free, no strings attached From mikmod-3.0.3.tar.gz license.txt: MikMod is now under a free-with-no-strings-attached-if-it-breaks-you-get-to- keep-both-pieces type of license. Basically this means: a)

Lists archives outside debian.org

1998-04-16 Thread jdassen
There now appear to be a few search sites that cover a lot of mailing lists: http://www.reference.com/ and http://www.findmail.com/ Both already have many major linux lists (like [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (for reference.com: search mailing list directory for Linux; for findmail.com: see

Processed: foo

1998-04-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 21164 libc6 Bug#21164: Realtime lock in linuxthreads Bug assigned to package `libc6'. reassign 21170 general Bug#21170: dpkg malfunction-unable to upgrade Debian Bug assigned to package `general'. reassign 21175 tix41 Bug#21175: Can't load

Bug#21170: dpkg malfunction-unable to upgrade Debian

1998-04-16 Thread jdassen
You wrote: Apparently, it doesn't like version numbers in Packages which contain a colon. It stops at cdda2wav, because the version number contains :. That's the epoch feature, used in cases where the upstream version numbering scheme changed, to make set dpkg's idea of which versions are newer

Re: Who has the dpkg source tree ?

1998-04-16 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Jackson) writes: The third member of [EMAIL PROTECTED] is Michael Alan Dorman. I haven't seen much from him recently (most recent message from him on debian-devel on the 30th of March). Michael, are you there ? Are you planning to put out a new dpkg release any time

Re: MGL graphics library freed!

1998-04-16 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
Enrique Zanardi wrote: SciTech, the producers of MGL (a graphics library used to develop games like Hexen II and Quake for Windows) have decided to make that library open source software, by changing its license to a derivative of the MPL. (See their note at the GGI mail-list:

Re: Uploaded timidity-patches 0.1-3 (source all) to master

1998-04-16 Thread Riku Voipio
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 04:37:31AM +1000, Martin Mitchell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Format: 1.5 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:20:12 +1000 Source: timidity-patches Binary: timidity-patches Uhh... Is the copyright surely clear? I remember that 4-front tech was nearly sued for

Re: Dumping core: root vs. normal user

1998-04-16 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Eloy A. Paris, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: an easy one: why when root runs a program that faults core is not dumped but when a normal user runs the same program a core is dumped? My educated guess on this is that there could be sensitive data

Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?

1998-04-16 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Brian Mays wrote: There is an easy way to get this button on your screen, assuming that you have the TCL/TK packages installed. I've done the same thing (using Motif), but added a confirmation check.. I've found that when I move the mouse or press a mousebutton when the screen is in

Re: MGL graphics library freed!

1998-04-16 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 12:38:59PM +0100, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: Enrique Zanardi wrote: SciTech, the producers of MGL (a graphics library used to develop games like Hexen II and Quake for Windows) have decided to make that library open source software, by changing its license to a

Re: dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Bob Hilliard
Hi, You wrote: I'm in the process of becomming a Debian maintainer. Unfortunately this process isn't finished since two weeks (may be it is delayed because of the efforts in the upcomming hamm release). I would like to maintain wordnet than. But may be I would need your help because

Re: where can i get debhelper and lintian

1998-04-16 Thread Bob Hilliard
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're part of the distribution - hamm. The newest lintian is in the incoming since yesterday - and installed on master+va. IIRC, Christian's message yesterday said the newest lintian was in slink, not hamm. I downloaded it from slink on

Re: dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: Would you think that /usr/lib/dict is an appropriate directory for the Wordnet database (the filenames didn't conflict!). The old WordNet packages used usr/lib/wordnet/dict/. I believe either /usr/lib/dict/ or /usr/lib/dict/wordnet/ (since

Re: dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: I'm also a new maintainer, and dictd is my first package, so it's doubtful that I could give you much help, but I'll be glad to try if you have problems. You should subscribe to debian-mentors, if you haven't already. A number of very

Re: dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: Actually, /usr/share/dict. Shouldn't new package be constructed from the start to use FHS? I think so and my favourite directory is /usr/share/dict/wordnet What format are these files in? Are they ASCII? The reason I ask is that

Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree

1998-04-16 Thread Brian White
Marcus, I was just clarifying (once more) the status of gettext in Debian. It is in experimental because the author asked me not to distribute it widely. This means that even if it is not accesable by dselect, we should not put it on CDs yet. Ah. I had forgotten that. If a package being

Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree

1998-04-16 Thread Brian White
From a logical point of view, I think project/experimental is the best choice. Why don't we include selected directories from there on the official CD (I think of gettext (ouch, don't beat me), 2.1.x software, ...)? Project/experimental is not part of hamm. Yes. That's exactly my point.

Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree

1998-04-16 Thread Brian White
Why don't we include selected directories from there on the official CD (I think of gettext (ouch, don't beat me), 2.1.x software, ...)? gettext is in experimental so that it will *not* be included in CDs... If we start putting experimental things in CDs, then we should create another

Re: intent to package Netscape Communicator

1998-04-16 Thread Brian White
Another thing to note... Dpkg won't let you build part of a package or assign different version numbers to different .deb files created from the same source. (At least, I've never been able to get it to do so.) Will this be nescessary? The libc5 thing is only temporary, and I don't

Re: intent to package Netscape Communicator

1998-04-16 Thread Brian White
Another thing to note... Dpkg won't let you build part of a package or assign different version numbers to different .deb files created from the same source. (At least, I've never been able to get it to do so.) You certainly can do that, check out bash/libreadline for instance. Hmmm...

Re: *** The Upcoming Release of Hamm ***

1998-04-16 Thread Brian White
So, when will Hamm be released? You decide. It's up to the devolpers to set the date by fixing the problems that are currently holding up the release. As soon as the last release-necessary bug gets closed or downgraded, we'll probably be ready to ship. Brian: I would like to have an

Re: *** The Upcoming Release of Hamm ***

1998-04-16 Thread Brian White
So, when will Hamm be released? You decide. It's up to the devolpers to set the date by fixing the problems that are currently holding up the release. As soon as the last release-necessary bug gets closed or downgraded, we'll probably be ready to ship. Can I propose the following ?

elvis package

1998-04-16 Thread Martin Mitchell
I will take over the orphaned elvis package, unless someone else has already said they'll do it. Martin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

fltk and XForms compliance

1998-04-16 Thread Shaleh
The author has stated that this is no longer a goal of his library. Also, many of the XForms apps that we use would require modifications because the author of fltk did not re-create anything that took an X type as an argument (like XEvent). It is possible to make the XForm apps work w/ fltk,

Colored Shell

1998-04-16 Thread Pat Quick
I have had Linux on my machine before (Slackware) and had a shell that had different colors assigned by file type. It was pretty nice. I cannot find the shell that does this in the newest version of Debian. Any suggestions. Help on changing shells at login would be appreciated as well (I

Re: Spamming people

1998-04-16 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 08:19:29PM -0700, boobileedoo wrote: please get someone to spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] plus get some one to spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanx Why? Isn't spamming supposed to be wrong? What makes it wrong for people to spam is if it's not wrong for us to

Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree

1998-04-16 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Brian White: Project/experimental is not searched by dselect friends apt does search in experimental, as far as I know. If a package being in experimental does not implicitly mean not to be distributed in CDs, then we would need definitely another

Re: MGL graphics library freed!

1998-04-16 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
Enrique Zanardi wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 12:38:59PM +0100, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: Enrique Zanardi wrote: SciTech, the producers of MGL (a graphics library used to develop games like Hexen II and Quake for Windows) have decided to make that library open source software, by

Re: Colored Shell

1998-04-16 Thread Shaleh
First, this belongs on debian-user -- not devel. The color came from ls. Debian also ships this version of ls. read ls's man page and all should be clear. Pat Quick wrote: I have had Linux on my machine before (Slackware) and had a shell that had different colors assigned by file type. It

Re: Colored Shell

1998-04-16 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Pat Quick wrote: I have had Linux on my machine before (Slackware) and had a shell that had different colors assigned by file type. It was pretty nice. I cannot find the shell that does this in the newest version of Debian. Any suggestions. Help on changing shells at

Blender

1998-04-16 Thread Behan Webster
Darn. I downloaded blender today, but it needs a libc5 version of mesa 2.6 and libjpeg. So it doesn't work on my stock hamm system 8(. I wrote to the people at Blender and asked about a libc6 version, and what license they were going to release it under (pointing them to the DFSG of course), I

Re: Blender

1998-04-16 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Behan == Behan Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Behan Darn. I downloaded blender today, but it needs a libc5 Behan version of mesa 2.6 and libjpeg. So it doesn't work on my Behan stock hamm system 8(. Behan I wrote to the people at Blender and asked about a libc6 Behan

Re: Colored Shell

1998-04-16 Thread Sudhakar Chandrasekharan
Pat Quick wrote: I have had Linux on my machine before (Slackware) and had a shell that had different colors assigned by file type. It was pretty nice. I cannot find the shell that does this in the newest version of Debian. Any suggestions. Help on changing shells at login would be

X11_release_note.txt

1998-04-16 Thread Igor Grobman
While working on the install doc, I noticed X11_release_note.txt which is a note for debian X users with non-US keyboards. That note seems to be a *little* outdated. Would someone with knowledge of the issues care to update it, or if no update is needed, at least change the versions of the

Re: Aiding the constitutional procedure [was Re: Automation of the constitutional procedure]

1998-04-16 Thread Ian Jackson
James A.Treacy writes (Re: Aiding the constitutional procedure [was Re: Automation of the constitutional procedure]): [Dale:] While I agree with the merrits of your previous arguments, I don't see what this has to do with the constitution. The secretary has powers which allow the secretary

Re: dpkg memory usage

1998-04-16 Thread Ian Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Re: dpkg memory usage): ... I've written a Regina REXX program to run some comparisons between the dpkg/status file and current Packages (+non-free, contrib, nonus) files. It currently shows which files need updating, misconfigured packages, shows a deb's paragraph

Re: elvis package

1998-04-16 Thread Martin Schulze
On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 03:22:46AM +1000, Martin Mitchell wrote: I will take over the orphaned elvis package, unless someone else has already said they'll do it. Elvis is non-free and the author ignores all mail coming from us, both copyright mails as well as bugreports and fixes. We have

Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.6.1)

1998-04-16 Thread Ian Jackson
I think we should make it someone's job to collate versions and amendments c, so that the secretary doesn't have to do it unless they want to. So, I'm considering inserting after A.2 `Calling for a vote' 2.: 3. The person who calls for a vote states what they believe the wordings of the

X Strike Force homepage up

1998-04-16 Thread Branden Robinson
It's still pretty skeletal as far as style of presentation goes, but that's subordinate to the content, which has been significantly updated. My ideas about what the X Strike Force is and what it should do are there. If anyone would like to help improve X, I urge you to take a look and see if

Re: dpkg memory usage

1998-04-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory S. Stark) wrote on 15.04.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Opening files in a large directory can be extremely inefficient in many Unix varieties. The kernel has to do a linear search for each the file. Linux 2.1 should be faster because of the dentry stuff, but even so it

Re: dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Bob Hilliard
Jean Pierre LeJacq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, /usr/share/dict. Shouldn't new package be constructed from the start to use FHS? IIRC, it is intended to implement the FHS with symlinks initially. Until a definite announcement is made regarding the policy for implementing the FHS, I

Re: dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Bob Hilliard
Hi, The old WordNet packages used usr/lib/wordnet/dict/. I believe This seemed me a bad choice and so I wanted to change it. I agree. It seems undesirable to create a directory with nothing in it but a subdirectory, if there is no expectation of adding more files or directories

Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)

1998-04-16 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [ This was: Bug#13849: netstd should predepend on libreadlineg2 ] [ I would like to appeal to the technical comittee here. Unfortunately the technical comittee does not exist yet and all we have so far is debian-devel. Therefore we will have to discuss it here

Re: Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)

1998-04-16 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Santiago Vila wrote: Please, tell me how much harm does to add a Pre-Depends field on libc6, ncurses3.4 and libreadlineg2 for netstd. I can tell you how much inconvenience does *not* to add it and then we can make a comparison between those two inconveniences. I've had

Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree

1998-04-16 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 07:37:20PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: If a package being in experimental does not implicitly mean not to be distributed in CDs, then we would need definitely another different experimental for gettext. I'm not sure whether or not experimental is appropriate

Re: Lists archives outside debian.org

1998-04-16 Thread Marco Budde
Am 16.04.98 schrieb jdassen # wi.leidenuniv.nl ... Moin [EMAIL PROTECTED] j http://www.reference.com/ j and j http://www.findmail.com/ Nice for spams :(. j I think it would be useful to archive the Debian lists there too (in j addition to our www.debian.org archive). No, please not.

Re: dictd and wordnet

1998-04-16 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 09:05:12AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: serious package (I don't consider xteddy to be serious but only for the sake of learning maintaining a package). I blame you for that. How can you take xteddy not serious? We need it.

Where are the boot floppies?

1998-04-16 Thread Greg Stark
They don't seem to be in the Incoming mirrors, are they somewhere else? There's someone who posts periodically saying he has an automatically built iso image and boot floppies somewhere but I can't find any of his posts in the archives. Thanks, greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL