Re: deb + tar + bzip2 suggestion

1998-04-19 Thread Yann Dirson
Joel Klecker writes: However, I have run across a patch that adds an option that does use magic numbers to guess which compression program to use. The URL was posted on gnu.misc.discuss some months ago, but it is unfortunately not on dejanews. For things like that, I have developped a

Re: bzip2 for source packages?

1998-04-19 Thread Yann Dirson
James Troup writes: Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Might I suggest that using it for source packaging would be appropriate, though? By recompressing things in bzip2, you lose the ability to use pristine upstream source (since the vast majority of source stills

Re: xpenguin (formerly known as xteddy)

1998-04-19 Thread Alex Romosan
Why dont u make a debian PAckage out of it? You can do one PAckage xteddy with an additonal command-line parameter to select the personality shown. somebody else (Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED]) has already expressed interest in packaging xteddy. i can share the pixmaps with him though.

April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Chris Fearnley
Hi, Hoo boy, I've been having bad luck with the bootdisks. This time, After I hit [ENTER] to load the ramdisks, the system hangs with the floppy drive light lit after displaying Loading root.bin... Note the three dots. I take the same boot disk and it works like a charm on another system. The

Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Jed. C. Thiem
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debian 2.0

1998-04-19 Thread -==Nueralx==-
i was wondering when will debian 2.0 come out?? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Intent to package: debian-keyring

1998-04-19 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 18 Apr 1998, James Troup wrote: Hi, Santiago approached us (pgp-update) about splitting the debian-keyring from doc-debian because a) the keyring tar ball is currently 256Kb (36% of doc-debian's installed size) and growing (it may eventually double in size when I get round to adding a

Re: non-US

1998-04-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 07:05:38PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 02:15:57AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: What is the upload procedure for non-US? And what is the status of non-US with regard to frozen etc; what distribution should I use to get into non-us/slink?

A little ircii /dcc tweak I'd like to see the default...

1998-04-19 Thread Robert Woodcock
I'd like to see this patch become the default: --- ircii-4.4/source/dcc.c~ Thu Dec 25 17:36:09 1997 +++ ircii-4.4/source/dcc.c Sat Apr 18 19:22:43 1998 @@ -940,16 +940,6 @@ return; } #endif /* S_IFDER */ - if (scanstr(FileBuf, /etc/)) - { -

acct: process accounting and 2.1.96

1998-04-19 Thread Austin Donnelly
The latest development linux kernels have a fairly substantially changed struct acct defined in acct.h. Currently: libc5: sys/acct.h just includes linux/acct.h (2.0.32 version) libc6: sys/acct.h is a new file, but it defines a structure which happens to be the same as linux/acct.h (2.0.32

Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Chris Fearnley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hoo boy, I've been having bad luck with the bootdisks. This time, After I hit [ENTER] to load the ramdisks, the system hangs with the floppy drive light lit after displaying Loading root.bin... Note the three dots. I take the same boot disk and it

Install doc ready for testing ;-)

1998-04-19 Thread Igor Grobman
I finally had some time to update the install doc (install.html and install.txt that comes with the boot disks). The new one is available at http://www.nothinbut.net/~igor/install.html . Please comment. What I did is modified it to mention Pentium II every time compatibility with Intel

Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Chris Fearnley
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 11:02:51PM -0400, Gregory S. Stark wrote: Chris Fearnley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hoo boy, I've been having bad luck with the bootdisks. This time, After I hit [ENTER] to load the ramdisks, the system hangs with the floppy drive light lit after displaying

Install process

1998-04-19 Thread Gregory S. Stark
I just went through the process yesterday, and I found it quite tedious. Downloading and creating all those floppies, plus debugging problems with rawrite and the bios floppy drivers. And it should all be completely unecessary. It would be really nice if we supported the loadlin method of

Re: Install process

1998-04-19 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Sigh, after writing that whole thing i looked at the new install.html and saw that more or less precisely what i described is in there. As someone recently said on linux-kernel, what tasty shoe leather i'm wearing today. Sorry, greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A little ircii /dcc tweak I'd like to see the default...

1998-04-19 Thread Shaleh
Nothing to stop them from copying it to /tmp and dcc'ing it from there. Waste of time changing the app. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: signals and atomicity

1998-04-19 Thread erikyyy
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Herbert Xu wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: if the signal occurs after the wait system call, but before the result of the system call is stored in wait_or_timeout_retval, the fact, that the system call succeeded is lost. this is (1) a bug in apache

Blender 3D

1998-04-19 Thread erikyyy
http://www.neogeo.nl/blender.html binary doesn't work with debian hamm, because: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/b/blenderLinux_1.30 ldd blender libMesaGLU.so.2 = not found libMesaGL.so.2 = not found libXmu.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXmu.so.6 (0x4000b000) libXext.so.6

Re: Blender 3D

1998-04-19 Thread Richard Braakman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to install the libc5 versions of libmesa and libjpeg. They are in the packages libjpeg6a and, um... there does not seem to be a mesa2 package in hamm. You're stuck. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/b/blenderLinux_1.30 export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib [EMAIL

Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Howdy, I noticed some problems I have with PGP signed messages from Christian Leutloff and Jim Pick, and a few others not coming from Debian. My MUA always thinks the message is not pgp signed but encrypted and queries for my PGP passphrase. I've wondered why and have investigated this a little

Re: Number of Maintainers

1998-04-19 Thread Martin Schulze
On Fri, Apr 10, 1998 at 02:51:31PM +0200, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: What happens with a public key if a maintainer orphans all his/her packages and leaves the project? Is it kept in the keyring or is it removed? If it isn't removed the numbers would be too high, IMO. If a maintainer leaves the

Re: Blender 3D

1998-04-19 Thread James A . Treacy
I maintain the mesa package. As no packages (before this) depended on a libc5 version of mesa, I stopped including them. Adding them back seems like a step backwards. It would be much better if you could get blender recompiled with libc6 based libs. Jay Treacy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 01:09:35PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: I noticed some problems I have with PGP signed messages from Christian Leutloff and Jim Pick, and a few others not coming from Debian. My MUA always thinks the message is not pgp signed but encrypted and queries for my PGP

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- * MS = Martin Schulze MS If it is a bug, it seems that it's a bug in mailcrypt or so. Jim MS is using mailcrypt, Christian is also using Emacs, dunno with or MS without mailcrypt. Actually, this is an example message signed by mailcrypt as it comes in our

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Martin Schulze
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 03:02:51PM +0200, Davide G. M. Salvetti wrote: MS If it is a bug, it seems that it's a bug in mailcrypt or so. Jim MS is using mailcrypt, Christian is also using Emacs, dunno with or MS without mailcrypt. Actually, this is an example message signed by mailcrypt as

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 03:29:18PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: There's nothing wrong with your mail, my mutt just doesn't recognize it as pgp signed. I have adjusted my preprocessor. My mutt does, and I didn't have to adjust it's configuration to make it do so. Nils --

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Martin Schulze
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 11:06:31PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 01:09:35PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: I noticed some problems I have with PGP signed messages from Christian Leutloff and Jim Pick, and a few others not coming from Debian. My MUA always thinks the

Re: acct: process accounting and 2.1.96

1998-04-19 Thread Rob Browning
Austin Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, simply rebuilding the acct package against the new header files is a little tricky, since the ./configure script uses sys/acct.h in preference to linux/acct.h Well, if it's just the location issue, you could modify configure.in to list

Re: signals and atomicity

1998-04-19 Thread Rob Browning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i think the whole system is shit. it cannot work this way. Nice temper. Not the best approach to getting help I've seen... there is no single way to solve this problem with linux :-( i am very unhappy. Apparently. what is this good for ? well. threads

Re: bzip2 for source packages?

1998-04-19 Thread Sven Rudolph
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Might I suggest that using it for source packaging would be appropriate, though? By recompressing things in bzip2, you lose the ability to use pristine upstream source (since the vast majority of source

Re: bzip2 for source packages?

1998-04-19 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Sven Upstream authors might choose to release upstream source compressed Sven by bzip2. So bzip2 compression should be a valid option for source Sven archives. Yes, just as another datapoint, GNU Octave does. For the record: miles:/var/spool/mirror/octave [root] # ls -l

Re: A little ircii /dcc tweak I'd like to see the default...

1998-04-19 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 07:29:19PM -0700, Robert Woodcock wrote: I'd like to see this patch become the default: --- ircii-4.4/source/dcc.c~ Thu Dec 25 17:36:09 1997 +++ ircii-4.4/source/dcc.cSat Apr 18 19:22:43 1998 [patch body removed] Yes, what that does is check your /dcc commands

Re: Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)

1998-04-19 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Santiago Vila wrote:' Please, tell me how much harm does to add a Pre-Depends field on libc6, ncurses3.4 and libreadlineg2 for netstd. I can tell you how much inconvenience does *not* to add it and then we can make a comparison between those two inconveniences. Too much, IMHO. -- Christopher

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 03:29:18PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: There's nothing wrong with your mail, my mutt just doesn't recognize it as pgp signed. I have adjusted my preprocessor. /usr/doc/mutt-i/pgp-Notes.txt.gz has more info on how to fix this with procmail. -BEGIN PGP

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Martin Schulze
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 04:37:29PM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 03:29:18PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: There's nothing wrong with your mail, my mutt just doesn't recognize it as pgp signed. I have adjusted my preprocessor. /usr/doc/mutt-i/pgp-Notes.txt.gz

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 06:39:25PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: There's nothing wrong with your mail, my mutt just doesn't recognize it as pgp signed. I have adjusted my preprocessor. /usr/doc/mutt-i/pgp-Notes.txt.gz has more info on how to fix this with procmail. Ha! That's the

Re: bzip2 for source packages?

1998-04-19 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Sven Rudolph wrote: IMHO the pristine property is more importent than the compression ratio. If a choice between pristine gzipped and re-compressed bzip2ed has to be made, I'd vote for the pristine way. Could someone explain to me why it's so

Re: A little ircii /dcc tweak I'd like to see the default...

1998-04-19 Thread Robert Woodcock
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:23:58 +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 07:29:19PM -0700, Robert Woodcock wrote: I'd like to see this patch become the default: [...] Yes, what that does is check your /dcc commands to see if they have /etc or /passwd in them, and if they do, print

Re: bzip2 for source packages?

1998-04-19 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Avery Could someone explain to me why it's so important to keep sources Avery pristine in this sense? Security. Trojan horses. To be able to compare against digital footprints (eg md5sums) from upstream. Avery I can understand not wanting to Avery untar-retar the archive, but

Re: A little ircii /dcc tweak I'd like to see the default...

1998-04-19 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 10:10:00AM -0700, Robert Woodcock wrote: [...] Yes, what that does is check your /dcc commands to see if they have /etc or /passwd in them, and if they do, print a message Send request rejected. Ick, no. If an admin is not running shadow passwds, that's their

Re: acct: process accounting and 2.1.96

1998-04-19 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Austin Donnelly wrote: The latest development linux kernels have a fairly substantially changed struct acct defined in acct.h. Currently: libc5: sys/acct.h just includes linux/acct.h (2.0.32 version) libc6: sys/acct.h is a new file, but it defines a structure

Boot Disks and Adaptec 2940

1998-04-19 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hello! I recently crashed the root partition of a hamm station. Fixing it, I installed several packages, also kernel-image package. The system was not able to boot anymore. Trying to come into the system, I tried Debian 1.3 boot disks and some newer disks (20-2, 20-3?). All disks hang after

Image names rescue and default was: Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 11:02:51PM -0400, Gregory S. Stark wrote: I rebooted with the rescue disk and tried to use the rescue image but got something to the effect that there was no such image. When I used the regular image and ran fdisk and saved the partition table from there it was ok.

guile1.3-1998.04.14: I missed the update-alternatives.

1998-04-19 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
Don't bug me to death... I missed the `update-alternatives' for `guile1.3', so the menu button won't work and you'll have to type `guile1.3' to run it. I've an update within a few days anyhow, and it's `unstable' only, so... geez, this is more work than I thought it would be. -- To

Re: Image names rescue and default was: Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 02:03:26PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 11:02:51PM -0400, Gregory S. Stark wrote: I rebooted with the rescue disk and tried to use the rescue image but got something to the effect that there was no such image. When I used the regular

Re: Image names rescue and default was: Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread aqy6633
The wierd thing is that rescue _is_ there: syslinux.cfg: # see /usr/doc/syslinux/readme.gz for file format description DEFAULT linux APPEND load_ramdisk=1 initrd=root.bin TIMEOUT 0 DISPLAY debian.txt PROMPT 1 F1 f1.txt F2 f2.txt F3 f3.txt F4 f4.txt F5 f5.txt F9 f9.txt F0 f10.txt

Re: Image names rescue and default was: Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 02:18:49PM -0400, Alex Yukhimets wrote: The wierd thing is that rescue _is_ there: syslinux.cfg: [...] It worked fine with older versions of syslinux, and now it doesn't work, although /usr/doc/syslinux/syslinux.doc.gz says nothing about changing the syntax of

Re: Blender 3D

1998-04-19 Thread Jaakko Niemi
I maintain the mesa package. As no packages (before this) depended on a libc5 version of mesa, I stopped including them. Adding them back seems like a step backwards. It would be much better if you could get blender recompiled with libc6 based libs. It's non-free stuff and no source

Re: fltk and XForms compliance

1998-04-19 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
Mark Baker wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 11:56:02AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: That will be a problem with lyx as the upstream side is thinking about a switch anyway, but qt is the leading candidate there. Someone should tell them about GTK, now that

Re: Blender 3D

1998-04-19 Thread Shaleh
James A.Treacy wrote: I maintain the mesa package. As no packages (before this) depended on a libc5 version of mesa, I stopped including them. Adding them back seems like a step backwards. It would be much better if you could get blender recompiled with libc6 based libs. Jay Treacy --

Re: Image names rescue and default was: Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Oh, also another problem. Various commands from the ramdisk hung, i had to reboot a couple times when all the virtual terminals were hung. And many commands on the installed partition didn't work. I imagine this might be some kind of shared library snafu, though who knows? Maybe it would make

Re: Blender 3D

1998-04-19 Thread Petra Kevin J Poorman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.neogeo.nl/blender.html binary doesn't work with debian hamm, because: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/b/blenderLinux_1.30 ldd blender libMesaGLU.so.2 = not found libMesaGL.so.2 = not found

Re: clarification needed: ldconfig in postrm?

1998-04-19 Thread Guy Maor
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This says nothing about the postrm. Should ldconfig ever be called in the postrm? It doesn't matter. ld.so reacts the same way to a library in the cache but not in the filesystem as to a library in neither place. Guy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Install doc ready for testing ;-)

1998-04-19 Thread Ben Gertzfield
This looks great, igor! :) Here's a patch for lots of spell checks and 'linux' - 'Linux', 'debian' - 'Debian' fixes. --- install.html.oldSun Apr 19 13:03:40 1998 +++ install.htmlSun Apr 19 13:15:54 1998 @@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ because Debian is based on Ifree software/I. /P PFree

dists/{bo,stable} temporarily unavailable

1998-04-19 Thread Guy Maor
I have to temporarily remove dists/bo and dists/stable. The problem is that dists/stable is a directory instead of a symlink, and converting a directory to a symlink will break many ftp mirror programs. The only semi-reliable way is to remove the directory, wait a while for all ftp sites to get

Re: bzip2 for source packages?

1998-04-19 Thread Sven Rudolph
Felix Schroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Avery Could someone explain to me why it's so important to keep sources Avery pristine in this sense? Security. Trojan horses. To be able to compare against digital footprints (eg md5sums) from

Re: dists/{bo,stable} temporarily unavailable

1998-04-19 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 19 Apr 1998, Guy Maor wrote: If you're accessing bo through dists/stable or dists/bo, you will have to use the top level stable, non-free, and contrib symlinks. Note that those symlinks will disappear when hamm is released. If anyone is using apt to access the archive then you will have

Re: /etc/passwd : which software does support this ?

1998-04-19 Thread David Frey
On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 08:27:39PM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: The comment field is used by various system utilities, such as finger(1). Three additional values may be present in the comment field. They are pri= - set initial value of nice umask= - set initial value of umask ulimit=

Re: Image names rescue and default was: Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 07:13:32PM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 02:03:26PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Enrique, could you *please* fix the help screens? They say you should boot default options=value and rescue options=value, but they are not there! I had to

Re: packages which are links to bo

1998-04-19 Thread Guy Maor
I originally wanted to wait because it would increase the size of the archive. I just added up the sizes and it would cost 107 megs. It turns out that the entire archive is approaching 4 gigs (!!) so 107 megs is not that much. I'll convert them now so it will be easier for people to press CDs

Re: Intent to package: debian-keyring

1998-04-19 Thread Christian Schwarz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Dale Scheetz wrote: On 18 Apr 1998, James Troup wrote: Hi, Santiago approached us (pgp-update) about splitting the debian-keyring from doc-debian because a) the keyring tar ball is currently 256Kb (36% of doc-debian's

Re: Install process

1998-04-19 Thread James R. Van Zandt
Gregory S. Stark wrote: It might even be possible to pass a parameter from loadlin with the dos path the kernel was loaded from; the user could mount the msdos filesystem and the install program could read the base disks (or a single image) straight from the original dos partition. I was

Re: /etc/group lossage

1998-04-19 Thread Guy Maor
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looking closer, I found a couple of packages (msqld and sudo) which updated /etc/group in what I would consider an insufficiently paranoid fashion. No package should modify /etc/passwd or /etc/group directly (save base-passwd). They should call adduser,

Re: Image names rescue and default was: Re: April 11th bootdisks - major failure

1998-04-19 Thread Juan Cespedes
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 07:36:52PM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: The wierd thing is that rescue _is_ there: syslinux.cfg: [...] It worked fine with older versions of syslinux, and now it doesn't work, although /usr/doc/syslinux/syslinux.doc.gz says nothing about changing the

Re: Intent to package: debian-keyring

1998-04-19 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: It's up to you which guidelines you want to follow--but if you want to maintain packages for our distribution, you'll have to follow our guidelines! Our policy applies to all packages in the distribution. Any package failing current policy in a

Re: Intent to package: debian-keyring

1998-04-19 Thread Christian Schwarz
[I reduced the list of recipients.] On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: It's up to you which guidelines you want to follow--but if you want to maintain packages for our distribution, you'll have to follow our guidelines! Our policy

Re: Blender 3D

1998-04-19 Thread James A . Treacy
Where is the Mesa 2.6 for hamm then?? My box shows mesa as a local/missing file. I have mesa installed though. It's in there. Here are the relevant entries in the lates copy of hamm. Package: mesa-doc Version:

Re: Intent to package: debian-keyring

1998-04-19 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: [I reduced the list of recipients.] On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: It's up to you which guidelines you want to follow--but if you want to maintain packages for our

Re: bzip2 for source packages?

1998-04-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 02:14:08PM -0400, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having said that, I'm a lot less opposed to this idea than I am to the idea of using bzip2 for debs. Well, perhaps it would be nice to have it as an option for things where either we