Re: Bug#188307: ITP: gpdf -- GNOME pdf viewer

2003-04-10 Thread Miles Bader
Filip Van Raemdonck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gpdf is just one binary, and some GNOME specific support files. the interface, font rasterizing and rendering canvas are all changed to use GNOME facilities. Looking forward to it then -- xpdf is a pretty good program, but its font rasterizing

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Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell. (was: Accepted cyrus-sasl 1.5.27-3.4 (i386 source))

2003-04-10 Thread Daniel Schepler
Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 07:07:33PM -0400, Richard A Nelson wrote: Why was this rebuilt with libdb2-dev ? Shouldn't we be trying to get things to db4.1 at this point ? I'd think db3 at a minimum. This isn't just idle curiosity either, SASL

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Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Chris Jantzen
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 10:12:25AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: already sparc64 and s390x port, but we will have x86_64, in addition probably ppc64 and mips64 (I have been interested in this area especially for maintaining glibc package). And hppa64. -- chris jantzen kb7rnl =- __O

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Re: ARM toolchains (was: Familiar packages)

2003-04-10 Thread Matthias Klose
Matt Zimmerman writes: On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 01:40:38PM +0100, Wookey wrote: This will effectively update and move the emdebian packages to be available was part of Debian proper where they are a lot more useful. I'll be posting the patch and compile option sets to debian-embedded and

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Re: /run and read-only /etc

2003-04-10 Thread Thomas Hood
On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 20:22, Jeremy Jackson wrote: Clearly what is needed here is an API for resolver updates [...] What you describe is roughly what I wrote up in my last TODO message. In Debian, there should possibly be a policy decided upon. (what the dir is, what API is, etc) I don't

Re: 2000 packages still waiting to enter testing, 1500 over age

2003-04-10 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 03:10:46PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Michael Banck] I object. Not entering testing could very well happen if the package's dependencies are broken/buggy/uninstallable. Yes, there are many reasons for a package to get stuck in unstable. But I believe it

Question of casts, lvalues, and operator

2003-04-10 Thread Marc Singer
I've found that G++ 3.2 has a problem optimizing this code. #include stdio.h int func_b (void** ppv) { *ppv = (void*) 2; return 0; } char* test (void) { char* pa = NULL; func_b ((void*)pa); return pa; } int main (int, char**) { char* p = NULL; p = test (); printf (%p\n, p);

Re: Question of casts, lvalues, and operator

2003-04-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 11:57:37PM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: func_b ((void*)pa); So, is this simply an example of the compiler failing to warn? Yes. When you cast something, the compiler can do many things: covert the value and put it in a register (in which case you can't take the address

fakeroot with chroot.

2003-04-10 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
http://people.debian.org/~dexter/fakeroot/ This is very dirty hack, but it works. I mean you can use debootstrap on your user account without root privileges. An example session from my system: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ fakeroot [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# export

Re: 2000 packages still waiting to enter testing, 1500 over age

2003-04-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 09:10:30PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 08:30:42PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Ideally the testing script should be modified to output more verbose data, but i don't speak perl. That's no excuse, since it's (nowadays) written in Python. :)

Re: 2000 packages still waiting to enter testing, 1500 over age

2003-04-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 11:05:52PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 08:30:42PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 05:59:26PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 04:40:31PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: depth, i cannot help all that much about

Re: installing package twice only differing in debian version

2003-04-10 Thread Andreas Metzler
Jeremy Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this supported? Suppose the files between revs are named not to conflict. It would be nice to be able to install a new version of a critical package, leaving the old one around while testing so you can fall back to it, then later remove the old one.

Bug#188426: ITP: request-tracker3 -- Extensible Trouble Ticket System

2003-04-10 Thread Andrew Stribblehill
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-09 Severity: wishlist * Package name: request-tracker3 Version : 3.0.0 Upstream Author : Jesse Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.bestpractical.com/ * License : GPL v2 Description : Extensible

Re: installing package twice only differing in debian version

2003-04-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 10:13:58AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: Jeremy Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this supported? Suppose the files between revs are named not to conflict. It would be nice to be able to install a new version of a critical package, leaving the old one around

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Michael Banck
[just replying to bring this to the attention of the dpkg-maintainers. At least Wichert does not read -devel. I hope that's alright.] On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 10:12:25AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: At Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:08:31 +0200, Michael Banck wrote: Note that the x86_64 is special: It

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell.

2003-04-10 Thread Andreas Metzler
Daniel Schepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Actually it is much simpler, many packages are simply not compileable anymore: libldap2-dev depends on libsasl-dev [1] libsasl-dev depends on libdb2-dev (= 2.7.7.0-7) [2] libdb3-dev conflicts with

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Arnd Bergmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 10 April 2003 03:24, Falk Hueffner wrote: On x86-64, things might be a bit different, though, because the 64 bit variant has more registers and therefore gcc might produce better code and binaries might run faster. If that is the case,

Re: 2000 packages still waiting to enter testing, 1500 over age

2003-04-10 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 12:54:34PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I suggest we remove packages which haven't entered testing after more more then 300 days. Packages can be stuck out of testing due to their dependencies, so 300 days of lag only indicates a serious problem with a package, it

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Arnd Bergmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 10 April 2003 03:46, Philippe Troin wrote: IMO, the right way is just like ia64 is doing. 64bit userspace with an ia32 subarch installable. Best part about this is that you can use almost everything ia64 is doing already. In fact, if

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Hamish Marson
Philippe Troin wrote: Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 09:58:04PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: Note that the x86_64 is special: It would be relatively easy to bootstrap a port on the actual hardware, but doing it right requires changing _all_ library packages as

Bug#188434: ITP: fm -- FM is a Gtk+ file manager

2003-04-10 Thread Rodrigo Tadeu Claro
Package: wnpp Version: 0.2.2; reported 2003-04-10 Severity: wishlist * Package name: fm Version : 0.2.2 Upstream Author : Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://thunderstorms.org/fm/downloads.html * License : (GPL) Description : FM is a Gtk+ file

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
On Thursday 10 April 2003 03:12, GOTO Masanori wrote: I think generic 64bit libraries should put on {/lib64, /usr/lib64/, /usr/local/lib64, /usr/X11R6/lib64, ...}. Debian 64bit architecture packages should have only 64 bit libraries because it saves storage, and once we prepare 64bit port, we

Re: Question of casts, lvalues, and operator

2003-04-10 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
On Thursday 10 April 2003 08:57, Marc Singer wrote: int func_b (void** ppv) { *ppv = (void*) 2; return 0; } char* test (void) { char* pa = NULL; func_b ((void*)pa); creates a pointer-to-void, copies the value of pa into it and then takes the address of that new object ... Try

Bug#188435: ITP: zodb3 -- A persistent system for Python objects

2003-04-10 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-10 Severity: wishlist * Package name: zodb3 Version : 3.1 Upstream Author : Zope Corporation * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/zodb/ * License : http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZPL Description : A

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell.

2003-04-10 Thread Daniel Schepler
Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, though, it seems libdb4.0 and libdb4.1 don't have versioned symbols -- so if a program links against -lsasl and -ldb4.0 there's still a possibility of problems afaict. Iirc versioned-symbols in db2 and db3 were introduced by the

Re: fakeroot with chroot.

2003-04-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, http://people.debian.org/~dexter/fakeroot/ Have a good fun! Nice. Very nice. Will you put that into the official fakeroot? Why do you comment out the mount calls in debootstrap? Much nicer to just wrap the mount(2) syscall... -- Matthias

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Thu, Apr 10, 2003, à 10:40:47AM +0100, Hamish Marson a écrit: I'm not sure how your logic works out that a 64 bit reg is going to be faster than a 32bit one. Or do you mean simply you're expecting a speedu because there are MORE 64 bit registers tahn 32 bit registers? Reg pressure is

Bug#188437: ITP: zope-xmlmethods -- Set of methods to perform XML processing on Zope objects

2003-04-10 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-10 Severity: wishlist * Package name: zope-xmlmethods Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Ariel Partners LLC * URL : http://zopexmlmethods.sourceforge.net * License : BSD Description : Set of methods to

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeu 10/04/2003 à 11:40, Hamish Marson a écrit : Then again, it's more likely to end up SLOWER as loading 64 bit values from memory into registers is going to go at half the speed of loading 32 bit values, just based on bus bandwidth alone. If the system you're supporting does BOTH 32

Re: Bug#188434: ITP: fm -- FM is a Gtk+ file manager

2003-04-10 Thread Andreas Metzler
Rodrigo Tadeu Claro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: wnpp Version: 0.2.2; reported 2003-04-10 Severity: wishlist * Package name: fm Version : 0.2.2 Upstream Author : Geert Bevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://thunderstorms.org/fm/downloads.html * License

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Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Gerd Knorr
Hamish Marson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure how your logic works out that a 64 bit reg is going to be faster than a 32bit one. Or do you mean simply you're expecting a speedu because there are MORE 64 bit registers tahn 32 bit registers? IIRC x86-64 has 8 additional registers, which

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Arnd Bergmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 10 April 2003 12:16, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: Other alternative: only install and run 32bit apps in a chroot-style thingy, 64bit stuff being the native type. Is that useful/possible ? Possible -- sure, but not useful except as an option

Bug#188439: ITP: kernel-patch-bootsplash -- Kernel patch to display a graphical boot splash-screen

2003-04-10 Thread Mike Hommey
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-10 Severity: wishlist * Package name: kernel-patch-bootsplash Version : 3.0.7 Upstream Author : Stefan Reinauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.bootsplash.org/ * License : GPL Description : Kernel

Bug#188440: ITP: splashutils -- Set of utilities to manage boot splash-screen

2003-04-10 Thread Mike Hommey
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-10 Severity: wishlist * Package name: splashutils Version : no upstream versioning Upstream Author : Stefan Reinauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.bootsplash.org/ * License : GPL Description :

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 12:39:25PM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le Thu, Apr 10, 2003, ? 10:40:47AM +0100, Hamish Marson a ?crit: I'm not sure how your logic works out that a 64 bit reg is going to be faster than a 32bit one. Or do you mean simply you're expecting a speedu because there

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 12:43:38PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 12:39:25PM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Reg pressure is pretty bad on x86; and int is still 32 bit on x86-64 (IIRC, long is 64 bit and of course any T* ). So yes, anything which plays with pointers will

Re: fakeroot with chroot.

2003-04-10 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Matthias Urlichs wrote: http://people.debian.org/~dexter/fakeroot/ Have a good fun! Nice. Very nice. Will you put that into the official fakeroot? I really don't know. The fakeroot is not my project and I'm afraid my patches are too experimental for such stable tool.

Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-10 Thread Wesley W. Terpstra
After running into yet two more problems with staged installs ala DESTDIR, I was reminded of an idea I originally had for fink packages. ... but, let's begin from the beginning. Why is DESTDIR a problem? --- 1: libtool cannot relink inter-dependent libraries during a staged install. 2: some

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Re: Aptitude, ARs

2003-04-10 Thread Enrico Zini
[I'm Cc-ing deb-usability-list so that people interested in usability can know what's been discussed in -devel about it. I invite others to do the same] On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 12:06:45AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: I'm interested in helping in the menu issue, too; I've offered help some

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell.

2003-04-10 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Iirc versioned-symbols in db2 and db3 were introduced by the respective debian maintainers, and db4 shipped them with upstream but my memory might be wrong. This was based on running objdump -p on the libdb libraries. For db2 and db3 the output included entries like Version

ITO: searching new maintainer for gworkspace package

2003-04-10 Thread Paul Seelig
Hi everybody, here's your Debian package maintainer (still) for the gworkspace package writing. I want to get rid of the gworkspace package and wanted to first ask here before i move on to simply orphan the package via bug report. I once wanted to see GNUstep supported by and within Debian via

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Michael Banck wrote: [just replying to bring this to the attention of the dpkg-maintainers. At least Wichert does not read -devel. I hope that's alright.] Sure. On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 10:12:25AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: I think generic 64bit libraries should put on {/lib64,

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell.

2003-04-10 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You are looking at the wrong part. No, he isn't. They have really versioned their symbols, without No, they havn't, they've done a nasty hack apparently, which is really unfortunate. using the GNU ld feature which doesn't work on some platforms:

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell.

2003-04-10 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, Pretty interesting mail to receive; an excercise in using negative response, I assume. You are looking at the wrong part. No, he isn't. They have really versioned their symbols, without No, they havn't, they've done a nasty hack apparently, which is really unfortunate. I

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell. (was: Accepted cyrus-sasl 1.5.27-3.4 (i386 source))

2003-04-10 Thread Stephen Frost
* Andreas Metzler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Actually it is much simpler, many packages are simply not compileable anymore: libldap2-dev depends on libsasl-dev [1] libsasl-dev depends on libdb2-dev (= 2.7.7.0-7) [2] libdb3-dev conflicts with libdb2-dev [1] introduced in response to

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell.

2003-04-10 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I wouldn't consider them nasty hacks. You'd be wrong. Well, then, they are ld feature, not universally available. That's correct, amazingly enough. I could not convince libpng maintainers to use versioned symbols because they were apparently not

Bug#188463: ITP: libxcb -- lightweight, low-latency replacement for Xlib

2003-04-10 Thread Eric Dorland
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-09 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libxcb Version : CVS Upstream Authors: Bart Massey [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jamey Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://xcb.cs.pdx.edu/ * License : MIT/X

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 03:33:39PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: [SNIP] So basically, I don't think this is a very good idea. However I think we can solve it differently in a much simpler way: * modify dpkg (already planned) to allow it to install packages from different

Re: Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 02:26:38PM +0200, Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: What I propose to do is to slightly extend fakeroot to also intercept open/diropen. If the open call would create a file, redirect it to /.../debian/tmp or some such location. If the call would open a file, first check

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell.

2003-04-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Junichi Uekawa wrote: I could not convince libpng maintainers to use versioned symbols because they were apparently not available on AIX and Windows. AIX is an ancient PoS. And Windows, well... :) Symbol versioning is something that can be turned on and off where it is

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Andy MacKay
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 12:43:38PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 12:39:25PM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le Thu, Apr 10, 2003, ? 10:40:47AM +0100, Hamish Marson a ?crit: I'm not sure how your logic works out that a 64 bit reg is going to be faster than a 32bit one.

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Emile van Bergen wrote: As a slight but positive side effect, it also seems to open the way to per-CPU optimized library versions; That's why we were already planning to do it. To make that really useful one could extend apt and add a priority to each supported architecture so it can

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 04:43:57PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 03:33:39PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: [SNIP] So basically, I don't think this is a very good idea. However I think we can solve it differently in a much simpler way: * modify dpkg (already

Re: Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 02:26:38PM +0200, Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: After running into yet two more problems with staged installs ala DESTDIR, I was reminded of an idea I originally had for fink packages. ... but, let's begin from the beginning. Why is DESTDIR a problem? --- 1: libtool

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 05:23:12PM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le Thu, Apr 10, 2003, à 04:43:57PM +0200, Emile van Bergen a écrit: That way you could do something like: # echo x86-64 /etc/dpkg/legal-archs # dpkg -i libgtk2-2.0-1_i386.deb # dpkg -i

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Hamish Marson
Andy MacKay wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 12:43:38PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 12:39:25PM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le Thu, Apr 10, 2003, ? 10:40:47AM +0100, Hamish Marson a ?crit: I'm not sure how your logic works out that a 64 bit reg is going to be

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Thu, Apr 10, 2003, à 03:33:39PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman a écrit: That way you could do something like: # echo x86-64 /etc/dpkg/legal-archs # dpkg -i libgtk2-2.0-1_i386.deb # dpkg -i lib64gtk2-2.0-1_x8664.deb Will we have to also have lib64gtk2.0-dev? Wouldn't that have pretty bad

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 05:27:40PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 04:43:57PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 03:33:39PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: [SNIP] So basically, I don't think this is a very good idea. However I think we can

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Andy MacKay
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 04:50:59PM +0100, Hamish Marson wrote: Ah right. Light dawneth. Yes, you make excellent sense. Basically ia32 is so hacked about wacky (In order to be backwardly compatible) as to be very slow, yet ia64 is a new instruction set with none of the baggage that it had

[desktop] Draft proposal for a new debian menu system

2003-04-10 Thread Enrico Zini
Hello. With all the new anvances in Linux Desktop tecnologies, it seems like the current menu system needs some redesign to keep up and integrate with the other existing systems. Since the desktop menu problem is shared with at least the Gnome and KDE people, I've asked in the gnome-usability

Bug#187988: ITP: planets -- A gravitation simulation program of planetary bodies

2003-04-10 Thread Martin Pitt
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-04-10 Followup-For: Bug #187988 I compiled, installed and tested the program and it worked without problems. I have contacted the upstream author (Yaron Minsky): he would be pleased to have a Debian package and offered his cooperation. Currently I am not

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Arnd Bergmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 10 April 2003 16:43, Emile van Bergen wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 03:33:39PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: # echo x86-64 /etc/dpkg/legal-archs # dpkg -i libgtk2-2.0-1_i386.deb # dpkg -i lib64gtk2-2.0-1_x8664.deb

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Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 06:05:38PM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le Thu, Apr 10, 2003, à 03:33:39PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman a écrit: That way you could do something like: # echo x86-64 /etc/dpkg/legal-archs # dpkg -i libgtk2-2.0-1_i386.deb # dpkg -i lib64gtk2-2.0-1_x8664.deb

Re: [desktop] Draft proposal for a new debian menu system

2003-04-10 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
Ciao Enrico, On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Enrico Zini wrote: The advantages would be to adhere to an existing, open standard (and push it), to provide a better system (with multiple cathegories and menu translations) and to better integrate with the desktop environments we package. The latter is

Re: [desktop] Draft proposal for a new debian menu system

2003-04-10 Thread Micha Politowski
One minor point: On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:16:25 +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: [...] The former seems to be one the way to to overcome the limitations of the existing systems, where Mozilla is a web browser, an HTML editor and a mail reader, but can only be found under one arbitrary entry of those

Re: [desktop] Draft proposal for a new debian menu system

2003-04-10 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 12:16, Enrico Zini wrote: I would like to propose that we switch to the freedesktop.org .menu format for desktop entries, and we keep providing menu informations for applications that do not provide one on their own. Wasn't Chris Lawrence working on this? Or maybe he

Re: [desktop] Draft proposal for a new debian menu system

2003-04-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Enrico Zini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030410 18:51]: With all the new anvances in Linux Desktop tecnologies, it seems like the current menu system needs some redesign to keep up and integrate with the other existing systems. Please explain this phrase. Ecspecially the other existing systems. Debian

Re: Categorization of packages (was Re: Aptitude, ARs)

2003-04-10 Thread Enrico Zini
[Cc-ing to deb-usability-list] On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 12:05:25AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Before the wish list, I propose to do a step back and do some task analysis. Also after this we need to prioritize them considering efforts needed to achieve them. You mean efforts for doing the

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Gerd Knorr
Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: multiple names. We could make this easier in dpkg probably. And then you would only install i386 packages if there wasn't an x86-64 package with the same package name... For application that approach (use x86-64 if available, i386 otherwise) would

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
I don't quite understand all the concepts being discussed but the following web pages may be worth reading. http://master.debian.org/~brinkmd/arch-handling.txt http://lists.debian.org/debian-win32/2003/debian-win32-200302/msg00018.html

Re: Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-10 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Suffield wrote: Read the fakeroot manpage for an explanation of why fakeroot does not wrap open(). The real way around this is to wrap open() and create(), but that creates other problems, as

Re: Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-10 Thread Joey Hess
Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: 1: libtool cannot relink inter-dependent libraries during a staged install. On the topic of 1, cvs libtool can do this with an undocumented command-line flag. However, it still prefers the installed location over the staged location. So, if you link to

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Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arnd Bergmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possible -- sure, but not useful except as an option for the initial bootstrap that might not fully work with /lib64. I've followed both SuSE and Red Hat making that mistake with their early s390x distributions. They both now

Re: Debian for x86-64 (AMD Opteron)

2003-04-10 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 07:59:51PM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arnd Bergmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possible -- sure, but not useful except as an option for the initial bootstrap that might not fully work with /lib64. I've followed both SuSE and Red

Re: [desktop] Draft proposal for a new debian menu system

2003-04-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 01:58:12PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 12:16, Enrico Zini wrote: I would like to propose that we switch to the freedesktop.org .menu format for desktop entries, and we keep providing menu informations for applications that do not provide one

Signs from God

2003-04-10 Thread The last Judgement
Title: Sign from God Signs from God. The Messiah comes. We have the end of the World Signs from God. The Messiah comes. We have the end of the World and already 3th World war. The Mankind faces the Doom and as well the biggest ever experienced Holocaust. Each second Humanbeing ends up in

ocaml compiled binaries and rpath

2003-04-10 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! I'm just packaging planets (#187988) which is written in ML and compiled with ocaml. The problem is that the ocaml linker uses the rpath feature (i. e. hardcoded libary paths). It seems to be against Debian policy to use rpath; on the other hand, the ocaml linker does not seem to allow

Re: /run and read-only /etc

2003-04-10 Thread Jeremy Jackson
Can someone point me the message(s) discussing /run (and why not /etc/run) - I would like to think that adding another directory off / should be avoided. /etc/run sounds nice, unless you want to support booting before /etc is mounted... Cheers, Jeremy On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:17, Thomas Hood

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2003-04-10 Thread service
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Re: ocaml compiled binaries and rpath

2003-04-10 Thread Remi Vanicat
Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi! I'm just packaging planets (#187988) which is written in ML and compiled with ocaml. The problem is that the ocaml linker uses the rpath feature (i. e. hardcoded libary paths). I don't know the answer, but you should ask on

Re: /run and read-only /etc

2003-04-10 Thread Jeremy Jackson
Overall I think it is wonderful to see support for read-only root being worked on. On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 15:41, Matthew Garrett wrote: Jeremy Jackson wrote: (doing this with bind mounts) 2.2 kernels are out though. As are BSDs. I have no idea whether the Hurd supports bind mounting.

Bug#188516: ITP: mrtg-ping-probe -- Ping module for Multi Router Traffic Grapher (MRTG)

2003-04-10 Thread Jonathan Oxer
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-11 Severity: wishlist * Package name: mrtg-ping-probe Version : 2.1.0 Upstream Author : Peter W. Osel [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://pwo.de/projects/mrtg/ * License : GPL version 2 Description : Ping

Re: bad postinst in kernel-images

2003-04-10 Thread Keith Owens
When using a recent binutils, you need modutils = 2.4.17. The binutils team changed the output of the 'nm' command which changed the contents of System.map.

Re: SASL/LDAP/DB dependency hell. (was: Accepted cyrus-sasl 1.5.27-3.4 (i386 source))

2003-04-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 09:26:12PM -0700, Daniel Schepler wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 07:07:33PM -0400, Richard A Nelson wrote: Why was this rebuilt with libdb2-dev ? Shouldn't we be trying to get things to db4.1 at this point ? I'd think db3 at a minimum. This isn't just idle

Suggestions accepted

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Re: Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: 1: libtool cannot relink inter-dependent libraries during a staged install. On the topic of 1, cvs libtool can do this with an undocumented command-line flag. However, it still prefers the installed

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Re: Debconf

2003-04-10 Thread Guillem Jover
Hola Amaya! On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 05:03:34AM +0100, Amaya wrote: ¿Alguien tiene pensado ir? No me gusta volar sola y he pensado que podríamos organizar algo más comunal, endogámico y divertido. Pues yo pensaba ir, pero ya que los precios alli son prohibitivos, tendre que empezar a vender