Re: webbit

2003-05-15 Thread David N. Welton
Federico Di Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ero un po' stanco ieri sera e ho dimenticato di dire una cosa importante, cioe`, grazie, Federico, per il lavoro svolto. Il gio, 2003-05-15 alle 00:16, David N. Welton ha scritto: Finito il webbit, direi che e` ora di parlare di cosa e` andato

Re: webbit

2003-05-15 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Il gio, 2003-05-15 alle 10:19, David N. Welton ha scritto: Federico Di Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *) Altro? si. ci vorrebbe qualche proposta per l'anno prossimo. a parte la disorganizazione dello stand dovuta all'overbooking i sembra che siamo andati bene, ma sicuramente si

Re: webbit

2003-05-15 Thread N. Wieland
- [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Se siamo in tanti (cosa buona che mi ha fatto molto piacere!), magari e` il caso di stabilire dei turni, in modo di lasciare un po' piu` libero lo stand. era previsto ma, come ho detto, hanno fatto overbooking e la gente del turno out non aveva nessun posto in cui

magazzino e contabilita`

2003-05-15 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
ciao a *, per il webb.it 2002 eravamo senza soldi degli sponsor e decidemmo (alcuni qui a torino) di far fare noi le magliette e recuperare i soldi dopo la vendita. con l'andar del tempo quelle magliette le abbiamo vendute tutte e per questo webb.it le abbiamo rifatte (e vendute tutte) usando i

Question de confiance ...

2003-05-15 Thread Jérôme Marant
Bonjour, J'ai récemment rencontré un développeur Debian qui vient d'arriver à Paris et nous avons échangé nos empreintes GPG selon la procédure habituelle. Ma carte de visite, sur laquelle est incrite mon empreinte, ne mentionne que mon adresse @debian.org. Le développeur en question a

Re: Question de confiance ...

2003-05-15 Thread Alexandre Fayolle
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:37:02AM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: Bonjour, J'ai récemment rencontré un développeur Debian qui vient d'arriver à Paris et nous avons échangé nos empreintes GPG selon la procédure habituelle. Ma carte de visite, sur laquelle est incrite mon empreinte, ne

Re: Question de confiance ...

2003-05-15 Thread Jérôme Marant
En réponse à Pierre Machard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Note qu'en reprenant les arguments que tu as cité, si le mec se fait virer après que la personne qui veut signer la clé ait sondé l'adresse email, le problème est le meme :-) deluid fonctionne bien, autant l'utiliser :p Donc pour répondre à

Re: Question de confiance ...

2003-05-15 Thread Ralf Treinen
Salut, On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:37:02AM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: Le développeur en question a récupéré ma clé mais ne l'a signée que pour l'UID @debian.org alors que celle-ci contient d'autres UID, et ceci pour des raisons de sécurité. Je n'ai pas réussi à obtenir d'explications

Re: Question de confiance ...

2003-05-15 Thread Jrme Marant
Georges Khaznadar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arnaud Vandyck a écrit : | Est-ce quelqu'un saurait expliquer les problèmes et risques ou | pourrait me diriger vers une documentation claire ? Imaginons que je sois très méchant, et que j'aie réussi à trouver un ... ne reçois aucun message,

Re: Question de confiance ...

2003-05-15 Thread Jrme Marant
Ralf Treinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Salut, On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:37:02AM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: Le développeur en question a récupéré ma clé mais ne l'a signée que pour l'UID @debian.org alors que celle-ci contient d'autres UID, et ceci pour des raisons de sécurité. Je

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-15 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 15 May 2003 07:17, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hello. My spam protection system is unsure about your message. Since you're reading this, your email isn't spam ;-) -- please either sign your emails to me, or send a short confirmation to the address my name-abqux at domain so that and your

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-15 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 15 May 2003 05:27, Chad Walstrom wrote: It is a shame that such a simple scuffle on-list has sent you packing. Someone who gives up so easily would never last. Everyone gets flamed on occasion, if you can't deal with it you can't survive on a popular mailing list. The Internet is not

debian-devel@lists.debian.org

2003-05-15 Thread
http://www.richful-hk.com 16Alexa

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Matt Zimmerman wrote: There is no shortage of opinions about what we should do, but there is unlikely to be any action until an I arises who actually does the work. This has been discussed over and over with the same result each time (i.e., no action). Two answers: (a) Before I do

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I would. If I ever get a message like that, I would be grateful -- It'll allow me to add yet another obnoxious auto-reply to my spam filters. Well, thanks for the feedback. Rest assured you shall never get email from me, or any official posiiton I may

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matthias Urlichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, Matt Zimmerman wrote: There is no shortage of opinions about what we should do, but there is unlikely to be any action until an I arises who actually does the work. This has been discussed over and over with the same result each time

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: There are no mirrors of security.debian.org, and have not been for as long as I have been aware. See the security team FAQ. deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian-security/ stable/updates main Do you honestly think would be a

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread LapTop006
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman arranged a set of bits into the following: There are no mirrors of security.debian.org, and have not been for as long as I have been aware. See the security team FAQ. FALSE. There are at least several mirrors. I myself use them as for

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Christian Couder
Manoj Srivastava wrote : On Tue, 13 May 2003 09:12:25 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Maintainers or developers do not have a say on how translations are done except for gettext sintax errors. If you do not like how a translation team works, but you do

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-15 Thread Andreas Metzler
Clay Crouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My most humble apologies. It has become quite clear that the culture that the DD community shares has evolved in my absence. My absence disallowed me to evolve with it. The culture you now enjoy is not the one I left. I truly didn't expect to be attacked

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-15 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 15 May 2003 14:37, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Ahem. Your email wouls have to contain a few highly unlikely phrases to be classified as uncertain by me. FWIW, yours ends up as X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-42.6 required=5.0 Sorry, if you are only using that when spamassasin records it as a

Re: Answers to Why is package X not in testing yet?

2003-05-15 Thread Björn Stenberg
Joe Buck wrote: However, the output is redundant in many cases. Fixed now. -- Björn

RE

2003-05-15 Thread
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Re: Bug marked as done messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wednesday 14 May 2003 16:05, Mark Brown wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:24:25PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: Usually this is controlled by the Content-Disposition: header. Content-Disposition: inline should be displayed inline; Content-Disposition: attachment will often be hidden until

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:57:58PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:14:53AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: I'm sorry, I am on a public terminal, and can't quite remember where I read it - But testing should always be close to a releasable state. That assumption is both false

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Björn Stenberg
Manoj Srivastava wrote: This is, after all, more than just a herd of cats. How on earth did you get that quaint idea? From looking at Debian. It is far more structured, organised and controlled than the great majority of free software projects out there. If you want a universally held firm

Re: Do not touch l10n files [without notifying translators]

2003-05-15 Thread Martin Quinson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:03:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2003 19:17:50 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:18:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: As a package developer I hold veto powers over anything shipped

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: (a) Before I do something like that, I'd need to be accepted as DD. False statement. So non-DDs can get accounts on Debian machines to setup something like this (install FTP directories, setup autobuilders, etc.)? If that's so, cool, I'll have free time in two weeks

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Björn Stenberg
Keegan Quinn wrote: Funny how myself and every admin I know have only very minor issues with running unstable. What, pray tell, makes it such an 'obvious' non-option for end users? How about constantly repeated statements to the effect? So you did not even look at the release announcement,

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: honestly, if you care enough about what other people think to not take any action on your own chances are pretty good whatever you did wouldn't get very far anyway. My approach is somewhat different. I freely admit that I'm fairly new to Debian and probably have some

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Chris Leishman wrote: - If the build is successful, it's available for apt-getting from testing-updates; otherwise the maintainer gets a helpful ;-) email. I'm just curious why the updates couldn't just go straight into testing itself. It's not as if the testing distribution is frozen

mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
Hello! I was wondering how to improve mailcap system to become useful. First step was to able mc use mailcap. Now, I want to make nautilus to use mailcap. And I have a few questions. 1. Where nautilus (gnome2?) keeps info about mime types? 2. (more complicated) Does run-mailcap differs x and non

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Take the harden package, or create something similar: a package that conflicts with all versions of packages with known security holes. Why not just /fix/ the holes? Is

Re: Questions regarding utf-8

2003-05-15 Thread Andreas Metzler
Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all who replied to my recent question on this subject. Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With glibc I'd use iconv --from=SRC-ENCODING --to=DST-ENCODING//TRANSLIT if it is acceptable to change the length of strings. This will

Re: A strawman proposal: testing-x86

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:51:42AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2003 09:14:20 -0400, Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If that's the case, then maybe the testing distribution has outlived its usefulness. But if people feel otherwise, then it would make sense to

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 03:19:02PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: There are no mirrors of security.debian.org, and have not been for as long as I have been aware. See the security team FAQ. deb

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: On Wednesday 14 May 2003 04:53 pm, Björn Stenberg wrote: What's worse, saying testing is not for public use means there is _no_ place to get updates, since unstable is obviously not an option for end users. This makes Debian the

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:10:35AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:22:27AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:02:27PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: This is a far cry from ``Do not touch l10n files''. Hey, this was the subject, I had to get

partimage on powerpc

2003-05-15 Thread Sergio Rua
Hello, # partimage Error: volume hedaer size != 512 (520) This version has been compiled with an uncompatible version of gcc. I received this bug report (#193391) today and I cannot reproduce it on i386. Looks like a problem on powerpc. I'm not very familiar with powerpc.

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:17:50PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: [...] As a package developer I hold veto powers over anything shipped in my package, since it is my signature that goes with it, and I am responsible for all bugs. You do hold upstream responsible for

possible problem for debian was [NTP considered basic] misc@openbsd.org

2003-05-15 Thread Uwe A. P. Wuerdinger
Hi, I just catched this conversation on the misc OpenBSD mailinglist. Does this in any way afflict debian? greets Uwe -- X-Tec GmbH Institute for Computer and Network Security WWW : http://www.x-tec.de/ IPv6: http://www.ipv6.x-tec.de/ ---BeginMessage--- I'd like to encourage the OpenBSD

Bug#193399: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version

2003-05-15 Thread TSUCHIYA Masatoshi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: latex209 Version : 25.mar.1992 Upstream Author : Leslie Lamport * URL or Web page : ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/obsolete/macros/latex209/distribs/latex209.tar.gz * License : Public Domain Description : Commands and

Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
Hi, There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages. Unfortunately this leads to conflicts when a translation is first shipped by the latter, then incorporated into the former (e.g. when it becomes part of

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-15 Thread Amaya
There must be some mistake :-m Joey Hess dijo: Tor Slettnes mindi mondo smail xcdroast yard zmailer zmailer-ssl These are Héctor García's and he is not MIA at all. What happened? -- I would rather starve than lose your acceptance

RE

2003-05-15 Thread
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Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:04:39AM +0200, mcINEK wrote: Hello! I was wondering how to improve mailcap system to become useful. First step was to able mc use mailcap. Now, I want to make nautilus to use mailcap. And I have a few questions. 1. Where nautilus (gnome2?) keeps info about mime

Re: Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:24:14AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: Hi, There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages. Unfortunately this leads to conflicts when a translation is first shipped by the

Re: Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:24:14AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages. Unfortunately this leads to conflicts when a translation is first shipped by the latter,

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W licie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 11:54, Wouter Verhelst pisze: If you already parsed mailcap into mc's configuration, you should've seen this (picking out a random one): application/vnd.sun.xml.draw; openoffice '%s'; edit=openoffice '%s'; test=test $DISPLAY != ; description=OpenOffice.org

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-15 Thread Amaya
Sorry, my terminal was too small to check all the replies in the thread, including Hector's himself 0:-) Glad to see this clarified. -- I would rather starve than lose your acceptance .''`.My eyes will always show my empty soul : :' :- Boy Sets

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-15 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030514 15:42]: organization, though. Tollef, do you know if there'll be wireless base stations around or, will we be doing ad-hoc mode?) yes, there will be wlan. not user about the mode of operation. and there will also be some stationary pcs there.

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Take the harden package, or create something similar: a package that conflicts with all versions of

Re: fwctl and ipchains-perl - any takers?

2003-05-15 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-04-27 18:12]: Martin, while maintaining the archive, contacted me, because he wanted to remove the orpahaned ipchains-perl module. He noticed, that my fwctl is depending on it. So here is my question, is anybody willing to take over

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Thom May
Ok, I've been trying to stay out of this as much as possible, since I think Denis' original post: So I would like to ask developers not to edit l10n files (templates, PO files, etc) themselves; if you believe that something goes wrong, notify the translator or his translation team (or

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:11:03PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 11:54, Wouter Verhelst pisze: If you already parsed mailcap into mc's configuration, you should've seen this (picking out a random one): application/vnd.sun.xml.draw; openoffice '%s';

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Take the harden package, or create

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Take the harden package, or create

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W licie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:00, Wouter Verhelst pisze: Here's your error: if you do that, it's not the user who can change his browser, but the system administrator. Those two are not always the same. But, does it eliminate my soluton? As you wrote later, user always can change

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:24:42PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:00, Wouter Verhelst pisze: Here's your error: if you do that, it's not the user who can change his browser, but the system administrator. Those two are not always the same. But, does it

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W licie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:30, Wouter Verhelst pisze: I really think it would be a bad idea to go the alternatives road here. But why? Could you give me any reasons? I've said why yes, so you tell why not ;] If you must, you could write a front-end that parses /etc/mailcap, and for

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Micha Politowski
On Thu, 15 May 2003 12:11:03 +0200, mcINEK wrote: [...] We see a conflict. It doesn't matter how many browser user installed, always will be run galeon (it's above so it's first - am I right?). The best solution, I think, is that galeon (mozilla, etc) shouldn't provide a /etc/mailcap record,

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:35:22PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:30, Wouter Verhelst pisze: I really think it would be a bad idea to go the alternatives road here. But why? Could you give me any reasons? I've said why yes, so you tell why not ;] Alternatives

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:13:59AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W licie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:49, Wouter Verhelst pisze: Alternatives and mailcap are two different worlds. Please keep them separated. OK, so leave alternatives. It won't work, because the aren't any 'standards'. I don't have idea how make x/non-x choice from mailcap. I REALLY

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:04:14PM +0100, Thom May wrote: Ok, I've been trying to stay out of this as much as possible, since I think Denis' original post: So I would like to ask developers not to edit l10n files (templates, PO files, etc) themselves; if you believe that something goes

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Thom May
* Denis Barbier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:04:14PM +0100, Thom May wrote: I'm also quite upset to see off hand insults - I've never claimed to know what a foreign language should look like, what we've asked is for a rational explanation as to why when we removed

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:13:32PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: It won't work, because the aren't any 'standards'. I don't have idea how make x/non-x choice from mailcap. I REALLY think alternatives could be good. It's done in there, all over the place! There's a 'test' option, which is

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Colin Watson | (I'm not involved with the organization, though. Tollef, do you know | if there'll be wireless base stations around or, will we be doing | ad-hoc mode?) The area is covered with WLANs already, but we'll have a few switches for people who don't have wireless. -- Tollef Fog

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W licie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 14:30, Wouter Verhelst pisze: Uh. You can create such a tree in-memory, no? Parsing the file is not *that* hard. Of course, I can. But I don't understand why don't improve BAD mechanism. If sth is bad and doesn't pass our requests we should change it. Is

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:26:35PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:13:59AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM

Re: possible problem for debian was [NTP considered basic] misc@openbsd.org

2003-05-15 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Thu, May 15, 2003, Uwe A. P. Wuerdinger wrote: I just catched this conversation on the misc OpenBSD mailinglist. Does this in any way afflict debian? This subject has already been discussed forever on debian-legal. The general consensus is that without fee does not mean you may redistri-

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matthias Urlichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: (a) Before I do something like that, I'd need to be accepted as DD. False statement. So non-DDs can get accounts on Debian machines to setup something like this (install FTP directories, setup autobuilders, etc.)?

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: Hmm. Funny how myself and every admin I know have only very minor issues with running unstable. What, pray tell, makes it such an 'obvious' non-option for end users? Well-timed unstable snapshots are often more 'stable' than

Re: Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:09:08AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: I think it is proper to include translated man pages with original man pages, and to use apt-localepurge (now) or dpkg exclusions (when they're implemented) if people are worried about space. My gut feeling is that I believe this

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeu 15/05/2003 à 14:49, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : The area is covered with WLANs already, but we'll have a few switches for people who don't have wireless. Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a laptop ? -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ :

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:46:34PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 14:30, Wouter Verhelst pisze: Uh. You can create such a tree in-memory, no? Parsing the file is not *that* hard. Of course, I can. But I don't understand why don't improve BAD mechanism. I fail to

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:52:26AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Matthias Urlichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: (a) Before I do something like that, I'd need to be accepted as DD. False statement. So non-DDs can get accounts on Debian machines to setup

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 15, 2003, someone calling themselves LapTop006 wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman arranged a set of bits into the following: There are no mirrors of security.debian.org, and have not been for as long as I have been aware. See the security team FAQ.

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W licie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 15:23, Wouter Verhelst pisze: I fail to see why it would be bad. It's not perfect, but that's far from the same thing. Moreover, I think your ideas would make things worse, rather than better. It's not perfect. Importand bugs are for me: * doesn't allow to

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 07:32:55AM +0200, Christian Couder wrote: The situation is very different from the situation maintainer face with upstream code because in fact apt should be able to install l10n packages related to a given program package when it installs the program package. So

Re: Bug marked as done messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:27:07PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote: so maybe it was actually only filed in my brain (which has no web interface) ... We need a bug system for developer's brains. Agreed... $ mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -s Misplacement of apostrophes Package: doogie

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:25:56PM +0100, Thom May wrote: * Denis Barbier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:04:14PM +0100, Thom May wrote: I'm also quite upset to see off hand insults - I've never claimed to know what a foreign language should look like, what we've

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 03:35:33PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 15:23, Wouter Verhelst pisze: I fail to see why it would be bad. It's not perfect, but that's far from the same thing. Moreover, I think your ideas would make things worse, rather than better. It's

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 03:19:02PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Do you honestly think would be a good idea to use testing-security this way on a continual basis? Yes, I do. I think we should release DSA's for security

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:53:50PM -0400, Don Armstrong wrote: Manoj's answer, while witty, is closer to the mark than you may realize. Debian will always be for whoever the people contributing to Debian are willing/want it to be for. No more, no less. Um, when we all agreed to be Debian

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W licie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 15:42, Wouter Verhelst pisze: Yes it does. Create a ~/.mailcap with the application of your choice for a given MIME-type at the top. My suggestion of a front-end was to create some application that would help $USER to manage ~/.mailcap. I think it's good

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: Sure, every now and then a badly-broken package makes it in for a day or two. This seems to be far less harmful than the massive headache that treating 'testing' as a usable release seems to be causing. Something that would make

Proposal of removing MOSIX stuff

2003-05-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
Hi all Currently we have both OpenMosix and Mosix in our main archive. See http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.mosix.com/ for background information. Both software provide the same features for clustering (but IMHO OpenMosix is more actively developed and has more prospectives,

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On 14 May 2003, Joachim Breitner wrote: I would recommend this. When I was in Bordeaux in 2000 without my own Laptop it was much less fun. :-( The educational effect decreases drastically! Well, that sould definatly interesting. I just hope I manage to get a laptop 'till then. Or would

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Luther wrote: You again forget that debian is not x86 only, or do you expect Matthias to have access to machines of all the supported arches ? Right. Besides, I don't want to do this on my own, I want to do this as part of Debian. I don't yet know enough about the setup of

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 04:05:28PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: Please point me to where I said we should leave things as they are. You didn't say that, but you want use *minimal* solution, which aren't always good. PS1. Windows are done this way. MS created took w2k and sticked more,more and more

Michael-John Turner MIA? (was: Debian MIA check)

2003-05-15 Thread Paul Slootman
On Tue 13 May 2003, James Troup wrote: Of the 191 pings were sent out: o 34 people's ping bounced[1]. o 28 people replied asking to be retired. o 29 people replied with various different responses. o 10 people replied who were active. o 90 people didn't reply within the 2 month

Re: Bug marked as done messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread David Z Maze
Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Q: is content-disposition handled properly, especially for messag/rfc822 type attachments? (Or if not, are message attachments displayed inline by default?) Gnus: yes (since 5.8.0, the first MIME-aware version) (Yes,

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W licie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 16:38, Wouter Verhelst pisze: What's that supposed to mean? Doing that does have its advantages, too (such as you don't have to re-integrate everything with the new system). Granted, pushing that to extremes will end you up with an unworkable system with

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:19:08AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: If unstable has a fix for the bug, then it is a waste of time to work on testing because users can just upgrade. If unstable does not have a fix for the bug, then it is still a waste of time because unstable needs to be

Re: partimage on powerpc

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sergio Rua wrote: # partimage Error: volume hedaer size != 512 (520) This version has been compiled with an uncompatible version of gcc. I'll check. Sergio: Which source package from where, please? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: Sure, every now and then a badly-broken package makes it in for a day or two. This seems to be far less harmful than the massive headache that treating 'testing'

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: Sure, every now and then a badly-broken package makes it in for a day or two. This seems to be far less harmful than the massive headache that treating 'testing'

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: package to re-install. If you're not a developer, you don't have access to archives, so your choice is to either go back to the stable or testing version of the package, or try to find a mirror that still With the pool system the

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 04:53:32PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 16:38, Wouter Verhelst pisze: What's that supposed to mean? Doing that does have its advantages, too (such as you don't have to re-integrate everything with the new system). Granted, pushing that

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