Re: L'oeuf et la poule, version Build-Depends

2003-05-20 Thread Julien LEMOINE
Salut, Salut, Évidemment, pour compiler la libc, j'ai besoin du cross-compilo. Donc je Build-Depends: c-compiler-i386-msdosdjgpp. Seulement, pour compiler gcc, j'ai besoin des headers de la libc, donc je Build-Depends: djgpp. Et hop, une build-dépendence circulaire. Ça pourrait être pire.

Recherche d'un sponsor pour adopter distributed-net

2003-05-20 Thread Loc Le Guyader
Salut à tous, Je cherche donc un sponsor pour adopter les paquets distributed-net (client) et distributed-net-pproxy (proxy personnel) de Noel Koethe. Celui-ci veut bien que je les adopte, mais n'a pas le temps pour me sponsoriser. J'ai déjà demander sur debian-mentors la semaine dernière, mais

Autour du libre - signature de clef

2003-05-20 Thread Sylvain LE GALL
Bonjour a tous, J'espére que je ne suis pas trop hors sujet. Demain commence les journées autour du libre organisé cette année à l'ENST Paris. Je voudrais savoir si certains d'entre vous ( surtout des DD, désolé je ne suis qu'un pauvre futur NM ) s'y rendront. Si c'est le cas, pouvait

Firebird 0.6

2003-05-20 Thread Eric Dorland
Hi Everyone, From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add: deb http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/$(ARCH) ./ to your /etc/apt/sources.list and

Re: Firebird 0.6

2003-05-20 Thread Miles Bader
Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Looks good, but why the long binary name? Wouldn't just `firebird' be nicer? Thanks, -Miles -- Come now, if we were really planning to harm

Re: Accepted pointless 0.3-3 (i386 source)

2003-05-20 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 19 May 2003, Brian Nelson wrote: reopen 193287 reopen 193286 thanks Marco Presi (Zufus) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:30:39 +0200 Source: pointless Binary: pointless Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.3-3 Distribution: unstable

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)]

2003-05-20 Thread Matt Ryan
Emile van Bergen wrote: However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are receiving email from. Never said they should refrain. I do think that it's a waste of time though. IOW, if everybody just tries to

Re: Firebird 0.6

2003-05-20 Thread Nikolai Prokoschenko
Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. MB Looks good, but why the long binary name? MB Wouldn't just `firebird' be nicer? Because it's name is Mozilla Firebird (tm) :) [EMAIL

Re: donations wishlist?

2003-05-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Wouter Verhelst wrote: I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I read at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-announce-200207/msg1.html), but haven't heard from him in a week. Not

Re: security in testing

2003-05-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Mike Fedyk wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:24:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: already fixed there. They should go into a security update repository, just as is done for stable, but not on security.debian.org. Why not? It's already there. #Security

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-20 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Gunnar Wolf | Tollef Fog Heen dijo [Sun, May 18, 2003 at 04:21:15PM +0200]: | | Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a | | laptop ? | | Hopefully, yes, but if you can bring a laptop: do it. :) | | Tollef, I might be able to bring an extra laptop with me,

Re: Firebird 0.6

2003-05-20 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:31:41PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Looks good, but why the long binary name? Wouldn't just `firebird' be nicer? $ apt-cache search firebird Read mozillazine.org for the gossip around that :-) -- Marcelo

i18n of e2fsprogs (was Re: Do not touch l10n files)

2003-05-20 Thread Denis Barbier
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:38:47AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 06:55:37PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Highly technical packages like zebra, netfilter-related stuff and linux-atm are most likely to be used by people who know English. Not speaking English will make

alioth.debian.org down

2003-05-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl ... Was this expected? Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -- Master in Computer Science @ Uni. Bologna, Italy [EMAIL PROTECTED],debian.org,bononia.it} - http://www.bononia.it/zack/ I know you believe you understood what you

Re: security in testing

2003-05-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:57:13AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Mike Fedyk wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:24:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: already fixed there. They should go into a security update repository, just as is done for stable, but not on security.debian.org. Why

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)]

2003-05-20 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 19 May 2003, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:17:40PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: (I'd quote a proverb about how small things lead to big things, but I can't currently think of any of those in English. :) Look after the pennies and the pounds will take care of

Re: donations wishlist?

2003-05-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I read at

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-20 Thread Denis Barbier
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 07:21:51AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: On Sun, 18 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote: [All Cc's removed] On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:54:55AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: [...] I don't believe that there is not an estestic layout that can satisfy

Re: alioth.debian.org down

2003-05-20 Thread Jérôme Marant
En réponse à Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl ... Was this expected? Yes, and no. No, because it is a connection failure. Yes, because the machine is a ia64 ;-) Cheers, -- Jérôme Marant

Re: donations wishlist?

2003-05-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I read at

Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version

2003-05-20 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:54:59PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote: From: Agustin Martin Domingo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200 I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I think

Re: alioth.debian.org down

2003-05-20 Thread Andreas Metzler
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl ... [...] There is progress: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/CVS/alioth/exim/exim cvs update System bootup in progress - please wait cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above

Problems linking to libdb3++

2003-05-20 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, I'm about to sponsor a program which uses libdb3++. I have to admit that I do not know anything about libdb3 and just try to foreward a problem which occures only on my box - not at the box from the maintainer. I just reduced the problem to a minimum. The configure script generated a C++

Re: donations wishlist?

2003-05-20 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: plug I could use some non-mac m68k boxes to do exactly that :-) /plug Does that include boxes that are not supported by the kernel yet ? I have a VME 68030 board with full hardware documentation here... Frank

Re: alioth.debian.org down

2003-05-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:23:51AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote: En r?ponse ? Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl ... Was this expected? Yes, and no. No, because it is a connection failure. Yes, because the

Re: donations wishlist?

2003-05-20 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: At http://www.freebsd.org/donations/wantlist.html, the FreeBSD developers have a list of computer-related stuff they could use to improve their work on the FreeBSD operating system. I think this is a

Looking for help of automake experts (Bug #190231)

2003-05-20 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, I just tried to follow the advise of Ryan Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see http://bugs.debian.org/190231 ) which did not solved the problem which was couased only on MIPS but added new trouble for (probably) all architectures. I'm no automake expert and I *really* do not know what

Re: donations wishlist?

2003-05-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:05:39PM +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: plug I could use some non-mac m68k boxes to do exactly that :-) /plug Does that include boxes that are not supported by the kernel yet ? If it passes by a

Re: alioth.debian.org down

2003-05-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:44:37AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/CVS/alioth/exim/exim cvs update System bootup in progress - please wait cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) cu andreas What a progress! :-) BTW, why at

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-20 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 11:03:17AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: It seems to me this would be mitigated by two factors: 1) if they know enough to realize they should be emailing you in English, they probably realize they need to send the error messages in English too (by running e2fsprogs in

Re: Looking for help of automake experts (Bug #190231)

2003-05-20 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:42:35PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: ) which did not solved the problem which was couased only on MIPS but added new trouble for (probably) all architectures. I'm no automake expert and I *really* do not know what to do here. Looking at the bug report, you say:

Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version

2003-05-20 Thread Olaf Weber
Atsuhito Kohda writes: From: Agustin Martin Domingo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200 I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I think they would also like to know about this

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)]

2003-05-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 20 May 2003 07:14:33 +0100, Matt Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't like school boy rules and I thought I'd tell everyone. Good manners are school boy rules? I suppose I would have liked you better when you were younger, then. manoj -- There ain't nothin' in this

Bug#194039: ITP: mozilla-bonobo -- GNOME Bonobo browser plugin

2003-05-20 Thread Andrew Lau
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-21 Severity: wishlist * Package name: mozilla-bonobo Version : 0.3.0 Upstream Author : Christian Glodt [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.nongnu.org/moz-bonobo/ * License : GPL Description : GNOME

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-20 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-05-13 12:11]: Here is a list of packages in unstable maintained by people on James's lists. May not be complete, but I grepped for names and for emails seperately so probably found most of them. Thanks for this list; thoes packages have been orphaned or

Thanks

2003-05-20 Thread twb
I just had to write and say thanks. Now that libfam0c102 is listed as a libfam0, I can install parts GNOME1 and GNOME2 *together*! I didn't think this could even be done. This is FANTASTIC, and yet another reason why Debian is simply the best distribution ever. Keep up the great work, guys!

Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable? If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable. The problem is that this breaks the noexec mount option. If /foo is mounted noexec, then one cannot do /foo/myprog, but /lib/ld-linux.so.1 /foo/myprog

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)]

2003-05-20 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:14:33AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Emile van Bergen wrote: However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are receiving email from. Never said they should refrain. I do think

Re: Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-20 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Denis Barbier wrote: Hi, There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages. The general rule is that manpages-$lang contains

subscribe milouny@wanadoo.nl

2003-05-20 Thread Eric Feliksik
subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Accepted pointless 0.3-3 (i386 source)

2003-05-20 Thread Jarno Elonen
Uhhh, nope, sorry. Close them correctly or don't close them at all. Note, that a new upload, that correctly closes the bugs, will be incorrect as well. The reason for that is [...] Although I'm not in any way involved in the actual issue: Thank you for a good and calm explanation, Adam. I

Re: Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:45:21PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable? If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable. The problem is that this breaks the noexec mount option. If /foo is mounted noexec, then one

Re: Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
Martin Pitt wrote: Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable? If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo chmod a-x /lib/ld-linux.so.2 Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ ls bash: /bin/ls: Permission denied [EMAIL

Re: Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:45:21PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Hi! Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable? If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable. The problem is that this breaks the noexec mount option. If /foo is mounted

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Joe Drew
On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 22:07, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the

Debian Multimedia mailing list created

2003-05-20 Thread Marco Trevisani
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, the debian-multimedia mailing list has been created by the lists administrators (thank you). Whoever cold be interested you can subscribe here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/ This would also be a fantastic opportunitu, as well,

Symlinking /usr/share/doc/package is not allowed

2003-05-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
Several packages in Debian depend on another package and symlink their /usr/share/doc/package to the directory of this other package. Section 13.5. of your policy says: -- snip -- 13.5. Copyright information --- Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim

Re: Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:15:22PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Martin Pitt wrote: Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable? If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo chmod a-x /lib/ld-linux.so.2 Password:

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Marc Singer
For those reasons, I am planning to organise Debconf 4 in Vancouver (or maybe somewhere else, if there's a lot of hate for vancouver) sometime in the summer of 2004. Yipee!

experimental debconfised wu-ftpd package

2003-05-20 Thread Chris Butler
Hi, I've finished work on debconfising the wu-ftpd package. It seems to work on the couple of test systems I have here. However, I'd like to see the package have a little bit more testing before I upload it to the archive. If anyone is willing to do this, bearing in mind that it MAY not be 100%

Re: Symlinking /usr/share/doc/package is not allowed

2003-05-20 Thread Gergely Nagy
Unless someone can convince me that my interpretation of your policy is wrong I'll start filing bugs against packages that symlink /usr/share/doc/package to the directory of another package. Policy 13.3 says: ... `/usr/share/doc/package' may be a symbolic link to another directory

Re: Firebird 0.6

2003-05-20 Thread Brian Nelson
Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add: deb

Re: alioth.debian.org down

2003-05-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Tue, May 20, 2003 at 03:07:15PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli écrivait: BTW, why at the time of my first post many DNS weren't neither able to resolve the alioth.debian.org hostname? I think that it should be resolvable even when alioth is down, shouldn't it? No because alioth has its own DNS

Re: Symlinking /usr/share/doc/package is not allowed

2003-05-20 Thread Andreas Barth
* Adrian Bunk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030520 19:20]: Several packages in Debian depend on another package and symlink their /usr/share/doc/package to the directory of this other package. Section 13.5. of your policy says: -- snip -- 13.5. Copyright information

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans coming into the country. Two of the people I

Re: Symlinking /usr/share/doc/package is not allowed

2003-05-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: I don't see any objection to symlinking if both packages are created of the same sourcepackage, the second one depends on =first-package-version and (naturally) have the same copyright. It makes it impossible to extract the

Re: Firebird 0.6

2003-05-20 Thread Nikolai Prokoschenko
Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ED From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be ED interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt ED repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add: I've installed a bunch of extensions while using root and

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Fellow developers, I propose the following amendment to the Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying Constitutional amendment. This amendment supersedes the amendment proposed in Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the sponsor rejects this change, I request seconds on this amendment, so that it

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)]

2003-05-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:14:33AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Emile van Bergen wrote: However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are receiving email from. Never said they should refrain. I do think that

Re: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

2003-05-20 Thread Thomas Hood
[/run/ and] read-only root ~~ The /run/ idea is shelved, unless someone wants to take up the torch for it. Run-time state files moved out of /etc/ will have to go into /var/run/. The program, therefore, is: 1. Wherever possible, state files in /etc/ should be eliminated

(KuWeb.Net)--10M

2003-05-20 Thread (kuweb.net)
10M - http://www.kuweb.net http://sms.kuweb.net

Re: security in testing

2003-05-20 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:57:13AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: This is a remeniscent (sp?) remnant, probably. reminiscent of means similar to. My guess at what he meant was reminiscence. - ... - a remembered experience ... - something so like another as to be regarded as

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2003-05-20 at 20:25, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to

Debian Wiki

2003-05-20 Thread michael d. ivey
I'm pleased to announce that Debian Wiki (http://wiki.debian.net) is back online, and should stay that way. I've had lots of trouble with Zope on my not-so-high-memory server, and that's why it sometimes is down for now reason. I was thinking of moving it to UseMod, but then I read

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 12:19:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: The amendment uses the concept of a Quorum requirement to inhibit stealth decisions by only a handful of developers. While this is a good thing, the per-option quorum from the amendment has a tendency to further

debian-devel@lists.debian.org

2003-05-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
200 1+ 2 3 http://www.gzpi.com/login/register.asp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, You actually propose two separate amendments. Please don't do that, it smells of politics. :-/ John H. Robinson, IV wrote: - 2. If the ballot has a quorum requirement R any options other -than the default option which do not receive at least R votes -ranking that option

Re: Firebird 0.6

2003-05-20 Thread Andreas Happe
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: I've installed a bunch of extensions while using root and now Mozilla Firebird hangs when starting it as user. Does anybody else experience this? Any hints on diagnosing? been there, done that. there were some files in

Re: alioth.debian.org down

2003-05-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:06:17PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: BTW, why at the time of my first post many DNS weren't neither able to resolve the alioth.debian.org hostname? I think that it should be resolvable even when alioth is down, shouldn't it? No because alioth has its own DNS

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Matthias Urlichs wrote: You actually propose two separate amendments. Please don't do that, it smells of politics. :-/ the changes are related, if just 2 was changed, then the majority requirements in 3 have an undesired side-effect. let me find that message . . =

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)]

2003-05-20 Thread Matt Ryan
As opposed to plowing through your idiotic screed about how people shouldn't have high standards, which is clearly not a waste of time since it has important implications for how all developers maintain their packages, right? Seems you couldn't resist helping me by extending the thread? But

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Two of the people I originally contacted said this too, but always in the third person. I ask again, who on this list actually still feels this way? I do. These days I won't travel to the US even if somebody would pay me to.

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Raul Miller wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 12:19:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: The amendment uses the concept of a Quorum requirement to inhibit stealth decisions by only a handful of developers. While this is a good thing, the per-option quorum from the amendment has a

Re: Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 21 May 2003 01:45, Martin Pitt wrote: Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable? If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable. The problem is that this breaks the noexec mount option. If /foo is mounted noexec, then one cannot do

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Roland Mas
Aaron M. Ucko (2003-05-20 13:25:47 -0400) : Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-20 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Sat, 17 May 2003 20:27:34 +, Andrew M.A. Cater [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: 3. If there are two or more authoritative rule sets e.g. for British/American/Canadian/Australian English [I don't know whether this is true - but it probably is] seek to come to an international consensus.

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-20 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Mon, 19 May 2003 17:18:19 -0500, Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: On 19-May-03, 11:03 (CDT), Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VMS-style error codes occurred to me as well. Though if one goes that route, I wonder if gettext any longer has advantages over msgcat.

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-20 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em 18 May 2003 18:06:40 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh | On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote: | | should always try to stay as close to the original as you can. | Changing the text layout is a NO-GO in my opinion - and in the |

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Oh, as a sponsor of the GR, I suppose I should clarify that I am not going to accept this amendment; I consider it a bad one. This makes our vote method fail the monoticity criteria (http://www.electionmethods.org/evaluation.htm). See Scenario 2 below. I'll present two

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:39:08PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: example: quorum of 20, two ballots on the measure, plus the default option. two major schools of thought: those that support option A, and those that support option B. If the quorum of 20 is significant, neither school of

Re: Symlinking /usr/share/doc/package is not allowed

2003-05-20 Thread Brian May
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: The policy vetoe to symlinking intends (in my interpretation) two goals. One is to ensure that the licences don't change unintendidly. This could e.g. happen if there is a global file called GPL, the packages link there copyright

Re: Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Joey Hess
Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:15:22PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Martin Pitt wrote: Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable? If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo chmod a-x

Re: Symlinking /usr/share/doc/package is not allowed

2003-05-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 10:02:01AM +1000, Brian May wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: The policy vetoe to symlinking intends (in my interpretation) two goals. One is to ensure that the licences don't change unintendidly. This could e.g. happen if there is

Debian port to AMD64 at the Linux Symposium

2003-05-20 Thread Bart Trojanowski
Hello, I was curious to know if anyone would be any interest among the Debian developers attending OLS (www.linuxsymposium.org) this summer to discuss the future of the Debian port to AMD64. I will be securing us a space with the organizers, but if there is only a low volume of interested

Re: Executable /lib/ld-linux.so breaks noexec

2003-05-20 Thread Ben Collins
That behavior always struck me as fairly evil -- it's never fun when one single bit flip can take down a system, and I'd like to see the number of bits that can do so be as small as possible. Now that you point out the actual code I wish we could do away with that check. Does it really buy

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