DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Warner
Hi all, Since upgrading to the latest unstable I have discovered that after my startup reaches Setting up X socket server directory ... that I get no further output at the terminal. I have confirmed this on two different computers. Neither the computers nor keyboards are locked up. I am able to

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Warner
I wrote: The bug is most likely caused by initscripts, sysvinit or sysv-rc. If you have upgraded you may wish to downgrade/wait for a fix before rebooting, especially if your computer doesn't automatically boot into X. I have confirmed that downgrading to initscripts_2.85-4.1_all.deb

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Geordie Birch
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 06:14:01PM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: I wrote: The bug is most likely caused by initscripts, sysvinit or sysv-rc. If you have upgraded you may wish to downgrade/wait for a fix before rebooting, especially if your computer doesn't automatically boot into X. I

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Warner
Hi Geordie Birch, On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 06:14:01PM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: I wrote: The bug is most likely caused by initscripts, sysvinit or sysv-rc. If you have upgraded you may wish to downgrade/wait for a fix before rebooting, especially if your computer doesn't automatically

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-22 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:57:51PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | An NM can do little more if he sees a problem in the Debian way of | doing things. You can't change a system from the outside. Actually that's not true. The mere observation of a system will change it. Jamie, by just

Re: NM non-process

2003-07-22 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:28:15PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: Why does a non-DD need to find a DD to sign and forward the mail to dda? Why cant he sign it himself and post it to the list? The message has to be approved by the moderator anyway. Mail to debian-devel-announce is

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Warner
Hi Geordie Birch, The bug is most likely caused by initscripts, sysvinit or sysv-rc. If you have upgraded you may wish to downgrade/wait for a fix before rebooting, especially if your computer doesn't automatically boot into X. I have confirmed that downgrading to

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Warner
Hi Geordie Birch, FWIW, I have version 2.85-5 of initscripts, sysvinit, and sysv-rc installed and am not having any problems re. terminal output. Upon standard bootup into a terminal it appears that output ceases before the INIT: Entering Runlevel : 2 message but will start up again if the

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Geordie Birch
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 06:45:26PM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: Hi Geordie Birch, On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 06:14:01PM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: I wrote: I have confirmed that downgrading to initscripts_2.85-4.1_all.deb sysv-rc_2.85-4.1_all.deb and sysvinit_2.85-4.1_i386.deb will resolve

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
* Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-07-21 18:52]: Because the DAM hadn't had a chance to evaluate their application yet? He hasn't had a chance to review an application that's been waiting on him (not an AM or other, but DAM) for over a year? I find that extremely laughable.

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Request for help are usually very ineffective; examples: apt's maintainer asked for help and didn't get any (with the exception that mdz has started more apt work, but he worked on apt before so effectively there are no new

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Roland Mas
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader (2003-07-22 09:07:27 +0100) : [...] At the same time I observe that this thread has generated much hot air, but I didn't see any proposal of who could act as DPL. I know some Branden guy who's repeatedly volunteered to do that over the years :-)

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Marc Leeman
IMHO, the DAM wait is only one part of the problem. A lot of would-be developers are already pleased to find a mentor/uploader. To my personal experience, RFS in debian-mentors gives only a limited response and even if you manage to get somebody interested, some mentors seem to disappear from the

FYI: www.infrastructures.org

2003-07-22 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
http://www.infrastructures.org/papers/bootstrap/bootstrap.html -- Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Geordie Birch
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:17:50PM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: Hi Geordie Birch, FWIW, I have version 2.85-5 of initscripts, sysvinit, and sysv-rc installed and am not having any problems re. terminal output. Upon standard bootup into a terminal it appears that output ceases before the

Re: db.debian.org

2003-07-22 Thread Glenn McGrath
Is there a list of developer accessible machines anywhere ? A mirror of http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi would have been handy Glenn

Re: db.debian.org

2003-07-22 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003, Glenn McGrath wrote: Is there a list of developer accessible machines anywhere ? A mirror of http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi would have been handy I don't have a mirror, but http://zoy.org/~sam/machines.txt has a list of machines I could log into and their $(ARCH).

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-07-22 10:53]: Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader (2003-07-22 09:07:27 +0100) : At the same time I observe that this thread has generated much hot air, but I didn't see any proposal of who could act as DPL. I know some Branden guy who's repeatedly

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why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread A Mennucc1
hi I just want to say that some time ago Dariush Pietrzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I decided to package mplayer when we uploaded for the first time, the ftp-installer had some (good) reasons not to accept it so we went into it and tried to clear all possible problems w.r.t. DFSG: we sent e-mails

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Lucas Moulin
On mar, jui 22 09:17 Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : [...] This could explain how you were still able to see the login. I suspect if you look harder at your terminal output you will see some of it is missing. You could be fortunate that a kernel message restarted the terminal output.

Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hello On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:07:28PM +0200, A Mennucc1 wrote: *SNIP* ( last time I tried, it looked as if there was some automatic filter that drops mplayer from the incoming queue: indeed, I never received the e-mail reply 'mplayer is new, please wait' that is sent on upload of a new

Re: Homepage snapshot in debian/control?

2003-07-22 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 02:56:18PM +0200, Xavier Roche wrote: You can place in the description field of debian/control something like: Homepage: .. to provide the original package homepage. What do you mean? Adding an unexpected field to

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:52:13AM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:39:20AM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote: From a user's point of view it doesn't matter whether the lack of security updates is due to technical problems

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 12:37:30PM -0800, Britton wrote: How hard or unreasonable would it be to make it easy for users to sign up for some sort of automated notification system which would keep them informed about the status of packages they use? If I were a completely pragmatic user, I

Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Warner
Hi A Mennucc1, I just want to say that some time ago Dariush Pietrzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I decided to package mplayer when we uploaded for the first time, the ftp-installer had some (good) reasons not to accept it so we went into it and tried to clear all possible problems w.r.t.

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since upgrading to the latest unstable I have discovered that after my startup reaches Setting up X socket server directory ... that I get no further output at the terminal. I have confirmed this on two different computers.

Re: Homepage snapshot in debian/control?

2003-07-22 Thread Xavier Roche
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I agree on the Homepage field. Many times I've been asked by not-so-expert debian users on how to find the homepage of a package shipped with debian. Passing through copyright file is not so easy and probably even not so appropriate. A Homepage: field would then be okay?

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 12:42:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: It may be difficult to get 3D acceleration for the gamer-card-of-the-week, but by no means is it difficult to find a new graphics card which is well-supported by XFree86 in woody. a) You often do not have choice Then you

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:52:13AM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote: I assume you mean the software currently in testing, and I do. I also see many more problems with sofware in unstable. RC bugs could be worried about in a freeze.

Bug#202419: ITP: camorama -- Gnome2 tool for viewing, altering and saving v4l input

2003-07-22 Thread Leo Costela
Package: wnpp Version: 0.16 ; reported 2003-07-22 Severity: wishlist * Package name: camorama Version : 0.16 Upstream Author : Greg Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://camorama.fixedgear.org/ * License : GPL Description : Gnome2 tool for viewing,

Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:07:28PM +0200, A Mennucc1 wrote: ( last time I tried, it looked as if there was some automatic filter that drops mplayer from the incoming queue: indeed, I never received the e-mail reply 'mplayer is new, please wait' that is sent on upload of a new package) If

Re: DO NOT UPGRADE UNSTABLE: Terminal text stops functioning

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Warner
Hi Lucas Moulin, I've upgraded my system yesterday, and I've seen the problem you're talking about. Actually, I don't see any boot messages after Setting up ICE socket..., but I see wdm starting, and I got the login prompt right after. That makes me think this is bootlogd related. It is. And

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:52:20AM +0200, Marc Leeman wrote: IMHO, the DAM wait is only one part of the problem. A lot of would-be developers are already pleased to find a mentor/uploader. To my personal experience, RFS in debian-mentors gives only a limited response and even I can't speak

Orphaning some astronomy related packages

2003-07-22 Thread Stephen Quinney
I am currently maintaining a number of astronomy related packages. I am no longer working in astronomy though so I do not use any of these packages any more, I thus have no way of really testing them. I also do not really have the time to deal with them as I have taken on several more packages

Re: [debian-devel] micq code audit discontinued

2003-07-22 Thread Rüdiger Kuhlmann
--[Martin Godisch]--[EMAIL PROTECTED] Due to problems communicating with micq's upstream maintainer Don't expect me to respond to a mail basically just reading say something. If you have a question not already answered 100times, then ask it, but don't come up with a contentless question. are

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:50:49PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 12:42:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: It may be difficult to get 3D acceleration for the gamer-card-of-the-week, but by no means is it difficult to find a new graphics card which is

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Marc Leeman
I can't speak for other developers but personally I'd be reluctant to sponsor a package I had no personal interest in. I can understand this, but this creates a problem for a number of packages. One of my packages is 'yepp', which loads mp3's on a Samsung Yepp player. If it weren't for my

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 12:31:41PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: The What, Debian 3.1 ships 10 CDs but this common program I need for my work that was in Debian 3.0 is not included? would do much harm to the reputation of Debian. Have you actually looked at the list of buggy packages? I do

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 01:12:53AM +0100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: (Note that for example that while adding DAMs has been suggested nobody has yet posted a list of prospective and capable candidates.) You're breaking my balls, stop that, you're breaking my balls /cartman

Re: [Debconf] Re: The slides for my talk

2003-07-22 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 04:07:44PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote: Enrico Zini (2003-07-22 14:56:08 +0200) : My talks archive is at: http://people.debian.org/~enrico/talks/ I would like to suggest to anybody interested that we conform to this sort of naming scheme. There are lots of

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:18:12PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 12:31:41PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: The What, Debian 3.1 ships 10 CDs but this common program I need for my work that was in Debian 3.0 is not included? would do much harm to the reputation of Debian.

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Matt Zimmerman wrote: My point was that a good hardware vendor will give you a choice of graphics cards, and if you don't need a fancy 3D card, you can get a high-quality 2D card for the same price or less. I don't play 3D games on my workstations, so I always go for these options. You're

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Steve Greenland wrote: Don't these cards all support normal VESA modes? Are you saying that I can't run a X on these cards, or that I can't run HW accelerated 3D on these cards? Remember, there's a large population out here who simply don't care about games. Though unaccelerated 3D may not be an

Re: [Debconf] Re: The slides for my talk

2003-07-22 Thread Roland Mas
Enrico Zini (2003-07-22 14:56:08 +0200) : My talks archive is at: http://people.debian.org/~enrico/talks/ I would like to suggest to anybody interested that we conform to this sort of naming scheme. There are lots of Debian developers doing talks here and there, and quite often we like

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:17:25PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: What's the alternative? A more responsive DAM, one that has time for the tasks that the job requires. This would reduce the wait time for DAM approval and remove the need for special treatment. Yes, yes,

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Bob Hilliard
In my experience, James has been very responsive, albeit not verbose, to reasonable questions/requests that don't start out saying James is a bum - throw him out. Regards, Bob -- _ |_) _ |_Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Someone who enters Debian is in a position to upload a package that could backdoor a very large number of machines. Attention to detail at the DAM stage is *more* important than pretty much any other

Re: [Debconf] Re: The slides for my talk

2003-07-22 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 04:20:07PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: The problem is, I've not had time to organise all of them in a proper way so that they can be available from some common place (obviously that would be w.d.o/events/talks which does have some slides atm) So I would

Re: Re: The slides for my talk

2003-07-22 Thread Peter Karlsson
Roland Mas: There are lots of Debian developers doing talks here and there, and quite often we like to borrow from each other's slides. URL:http://www.debian.org/events/talks -- \\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ I do not read or respond to mail with HTML attachments.

Re: FYI: www.infrastructures.org

2003-07-22 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Karl M. Hegbloom said on Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:01:19AM -0700: http://www.infrastructures.org/papers/bootstrap/bootstrap.html While this is a good paper, and there are lots of interesting ideas contained within it that map well to Debian (I've got 50 or so Debian boxes in a configuration

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Nathanael Nerode) | I'm sure no DDs want to volunteer *while* there's someone officially | in the job and the DPL is satisfied with them, as it might be | perceived as an attack, and wouldn't have any effect anyway! If the | DPL *asked* for volunteers, that might be different. But would the

debian-devel@lists.debian.org

2003-07-22 Thread jackyhuang
debian-devel:! 13189176226 ! jackyhuang [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-07-22

Re: [Debconf] Re: The slides for my talk

2003-07-22 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Enrico Zini (2003-07-22 14:56:08 +0200) : My talks archive is at: http://people.debian.org/~enrico/talks/ Thanks, very interesting. Regarding: http://people.debian.org/~enrico/talks/debconf3/html/img7.html Never, ever discuss about critical things in a public mailing list

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-22 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 09:18, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * (Nathanael Nerode) | I'm sure no DDs want to volunteer *while* there's someone officially | in the job and the DPL is satisfied with them, as it might be | perceived as an attack, and wouldn't have any effect anyway! If the | DPL

Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread A Mennucc1
hello I had actually asked for help on debian-legal, in [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200301/msg00173.html In our packaging of mplayer there is a file debian/README.Debian.2 that explain our study on the source of mplayer; and indeed in the e-mail [1] I clearly

Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread A Mennucc1
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:49:46PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:07:28PM +0200, A Mennucc1 wrote: ( last time I tried, it looked as if there was some automatic filter that drops mplayer from the incoming queue: indeed, I never received the e-mail reply

Re: Enable timestamps in diff.gz?

2003-07-22 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 01:42, Denis Barbier wrote: Forget all about it; if you are unable to answer to this simple question, I prefer seeing Colin's suggestion implemented. I do not know whether it solves all autotools issue, but it is sufficient for my needs. This reminds me...I managed to

Re: May packages rm -rf subdirectories of /etc/ ?

2003-07-22 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:21:02 +1000, Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty /etc/foo'. Of course, dpkg will handle this correctly for conffiles; you only need to do this for Unfortunately dpkg does not handle the case where a

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:05:02PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: ... high-quality 2D (Matrox have gone over to the dark side - the Perhalia and G550 have closed drivers, and you need closed drivers to get reasonable functionality out of the G450) I use have a G550 that works fine with the

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2003-07-22 Thread nttz
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Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, A Mennucc1 wrote: In our packaging of mplayer there is a file debian/README.Debian.2 that explain our study on the source of mplayer; and indeed in the e-mail [1] I clearly ask: debian-legal: please read debian/README.Debian.2 in the source; do you think that it

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:31:51AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Most device driver issues relate solely to the kernel, which at present is very easy to upgrade from source in woody. The most prominent exception is XFree86, which is not so easy to upgrade. gphoto2 and SANE are other examples

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2003-07-22 at 16:52, Marc Leeman wrote: Obviously not having gone through the entire Debian Maintainer process, I wonder how much effort it takes for an experienced developer to check such a trivial package (if you will, compare it with the Pro-Deo system barristers have). Let's face

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:48:04PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:31:51AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Most device driver issues relate solely to the kernel, which at present is very easy to upgrade from source in woody. The most prominent exception is XFree86,

Re: surfraw ultimatum

2003-07-22 Thread Thomas Smith
Hi, On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 05:53 PM, I wrote: I strongly believe that this is an overreaction. Christian is willing to work with us to bring the package up to date, so there is no reason not to accept this. I suggest that someone (I could do it) sets up an Alioth project for surfraw,

Re: Enable timestamps in diff.gz?

2003-07-22 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 01:15, Marcin Owsiany wrote: Currently, when a source package is unpacked, all the files that have modifications in diff.gz are given somewhat random timestamps. This is because patch updates their timestamps as it processes the diff file. Because of this, there are

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:08:42PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 09:18, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * (Nathanael Nerode) | I'm sure no DDs want to volunteer *while* there's someone officially | in the job and the DPL is satisfied with them, as it might be |

Re: [Debconf] Re: The slides for my talk

2003-07-22 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hello On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 06:16:53PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: Enrico Zini (2003-07-22 14:56:08 +0200) : My talks archive is at: http://people.debian.org/~enrico/talks/ Thanks, very interesting. Regarding:

Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Don Armstrong
[NB: I'm subscribed to -devel, no need to Cc: me.] On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, A Mennucc1 wrote: actually: the issue of J.U. is more about packaging than legal; This is true. on the issue about mpeg2dec... from http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200301/msg00231.html I

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:48:01PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: ... - you want a graphics cards with DVI output I don't have a display which needs one, and neither does anyone that I know at this point. This is not yet common hardware. ... I bought a 17 TFT display with DVI input some

Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread A Mennucc1
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:45:29AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, A Mennucc1 wrote: Junichi Uekawa asked for the contents of README.Debian.2 to go in debian/copyright, where it belongs. I asked about the mpeg2dec issue, as it wasn't included in the list of files with

Re: micq code audit discontinued

2003-07-22 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Rüdiger Kuhlmann wrote: --[Martin Godisch]--[EMAIL PROTECTED] Due to problems communicating with micq's upstream maintainer [...] And I was about to ask for an example because I would have expected that 3 months are enough to get back to a more decent level of communication. Maybe it should be

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:36:34PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: Instead in continuing this discussion, let's agree on some points: - you can find hardware that works with Debian 3.0 - much new hardware doesn't work with Debian 3.0 - it would be good if Debian would release more frequent (e.g.

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Matt Zimmerman wrote: Most device driver issues relate solely to the kernel, which at present is very easy to upgrade from source in woody. The most prominent exception is XFree86, which is not so easy to upgrade. In addition, the X framebuffer driver allows reduction of that to a kernel

Re: Bug#201023: dosemu: purging doesmu wipes out all user data

2003-07-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is my suggestion for how purge should be handled. Purge would delete #1 through #4 _and_ everything in /var/lib/pckg/. User data created using the package must then not be stored in /var/lib/pckg/ but somewhere else, e.g., in someone's home

Re: New d-i debcamp in a few months?

2003-07-22 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Petter Reinholdtsen] One initial idea is to arrange it from Monday 2003-10-27 to Friday 2003-10-31 at URL:http://www.einschlingen.de/. To get this location we need to make a quick decision, but I guess we need to give everyone some days to get back from

Sorry. (Re: New d-i debcamp in a few months?)

2003-07-22 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Thomas Viehmann wrote: ... Sorry about that. I'll learn it someday (or use a smarter news client if I can't be a smarter user). Cheers T. pgpGWG6FkDWLr.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:51:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:36:34PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: Instead in continuing this discussion, let's agree on some points: - you can find hardware that works with Debian 3.0 - much new hardware doesn't work with Debian

Re: [Debconf] Re: The slides for my talk

2003-07-22 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:15:51PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: Never, ever discuss about critical things in a public mailing list (you will start a Godwin flame war) In the context of a project such as Debian, what alternative do you propose? Well based on the other

Bug#202485: ITP: aewm++-goodies -- utilities to complement a minimal window manager

2003-07-22 Thread Chris Boyle
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-22 Severity: wishlist I'm working on this package now, I'll upload within the next few days, followed by an updated aewm++ (1.0.24), which I cannot upload yet since it will declare Suggests on aewm++-goodies (which doesn't exist yet).

Re: mawk is a required package but I have replaced it with gawk

2003-07-22 Thread Dan Jacobson
I was thinking that to have a valid debian system, all required packages must be installed. That's true for essential package, but required != essential. /usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/debian-faq.en.txt.gz: 6.7. What is a _Required_, _Important_, _Standard_, _Optional_, or _Extra_ package?

Re: mawk is a required package but I have replaced it with gawk

2003-07-22 Thread Santiago Vila
Dan Jacobson wrote: I was thinking that to have a valid debian system, all required packages must be installed. That's true for essential package, but required != essential. /usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/debian-faq.en.txt.gz: 6.7. What is a _Required_, _Important_, _Standard_, _Optional_, or

Using reportbug with Gnus

2003-07-22 Thread Marcus Frings
Hello, first of all I would like to excuse if my question/problem might be wrong on the devel list and should better have been mailed to a debian-user-ML. I thought the DDs here are experienced reportbug users. Well, I know how to make bug reports with reportbug's internal mailer but actually I

Re: mawk is a required package but I have replaced it with gawk

2003-07-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:45:59AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: I was thinking that to have a valid debian system, all required packages must be installed. That's true for essential package, but required != essential. /usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/debian-faq.en.txt.gz: 6.7. What is a

Multi-level symlinks for default kernel

2003-07-22 Thread Mike Fedyk
Hi, I am wondering if anyone else is having the same problems I am with debian keeping the vmlinuz symlink in /. I have several systems where /boot is the only filesystem accessable by the boot loader because of software raid, or possibly lvm (haven't done this yet, but thinking about it). I

Re: Multi-level symlinks for default kernel

2003-07-22 Thread Morgon Kanter
I am wondering if anyone else is having the same problems I am with debian keeping the vmlinuz symlink in /. I have several systems where /boot is the only filesystem accessable by the boot loader because of software raid, or possibly lvm (haven't done this yet, but thinking about it). I

Re: Multi-level symlinks for default kernel

2003-07-22 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:48:33PM -0400, Morgon Kanter wrote: I am wondering if anyone else is having the same problems I am with debian keeping the vmlinuz symlink in /. I have several systems where /boot is the only filesystem accessable by the boot loader because of software raid,

Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Warner
Hi A Mennucc1, I had actually asked for help on debian-legal, in [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200301/msg00173.html This and the follow-ups you have now received are great. It must be very frustrating when so much time goes by that someone like myself misses

Re: surfraw ultimatum

2003-07-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Thomas Smith wrote: On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 05:53 PM, I wrote: I strongly believe that this is an overreaction. Christian is willing to work with us to bring the package up to date, so there is no reason not to accept this. I suggest that someone (I could do

Re: Using reportbug with Gnus

2003-07-22 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Marcus Frings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Symbol's function definition is void: gnus-agent-possibly-save-gcc Confirmed; FWIW, I have reportbug 2.20, emacs21 21.3-1, and gnus 5.10.2-3. Okay, I read man reportbug, I read /usr/share/doc/reportbug/ and I looked in /usr/share/reportbug/ where

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:52:36PM +0200, Marc Leeman wrote: I can understand this, but this creates a problem for a number of packages. One of my packages is 'yepp', which loads mp3's on a Samsung Yepp player. If it weren't for my current sponsor, who started sponsering me for another

debian-devel@lists.debian.org

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Accepted udpkg 0.014 (i386 source)

2003-07-22 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:09:06 +0200 Source: udpkg Binary: udpkg Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.014 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Install System Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL

Accepted prozilla 1:1.3.6-6 (i386 source)

2003-07-22 Thread Guilherme de S. Pastore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:10:41 -0300 Source: prozilla Binary: prozilla Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:1.3.6-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Guilherme de S. Pastore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Guilherme de S.

Accepted gnustep-base 1.7.1-4 (i386 source all)

2003-07-22 Thread Matthias Klose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:48:33 +0200 Source: gnustep-base Binary: gnustep-base-doc gnustep-base1-dbg gnustep-base1 gnustep-base-examples gnustep-base1-dev Architecture: source all i386 Version: 1.7.1-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Accepted calltree 0.9.2-1 (i386 source)

2003-07-22 Thread Philipp Frauenfelder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:44:47 +0200 Source: calltree Binary: valgrind-calltree Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Philipp Frauenfelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Philipp

Accepted gnump3d 2.5-5 (all source)

2003-07-22 Thread Steve Kemp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 10:27:54 + Source: gnump3d Binary: gnump3d Architecture: source all Version: 2.5-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted ccdoc 0.8.40-1 (i386 source)

2003-07-22 Thread Magnus Ekdahl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:37:26 +0200 Source: ccdoc Binary: ccdoc Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.8.40-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Magnus Ekdahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Magnus Ekdahl [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted libgd-graph-perl 1.43-1 (all source)

2003-07-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:48:24 +0200 Source: libgd-graph-perl Binary: libgd-graph-perl Architecture: source all Version: 1.43-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonas Smedegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jonas

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