Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:37:32 -0400 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you meant to do was to run make CC=gcc-2.95 instead of make. There is no need to futz around with the default gcc version; just ask for what you want. Uh, no. I am aware of that. That, however, did not

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:14:08 -0700 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, no. I am aware of that. That, however, did not prevent it from running the wrong GCC. v2.4.21 of the kernel had a problem with 3.3. Correction, 2.4.20. For some reason 2.4.21 seems to be crashing my system

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:14:08PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:37:32 -0400 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you meant to do was to run make CC=gcc-2.95 instead of make. There is no need to futz around with the default gcc version; just ask for what you want.

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:25:27 -0400 Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see how 2.95 installing both 3.3 and 2.95 somehow equates to a problem! A failed kernel compile when trying to bring stability to a machine constitutes as a problem in my book. I build kernels with

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-05 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Peter Mathiasson wrote: [...] distcc sends the complete preprocessed source code across the network for each job. Hmm, OK, but that would just speedup the actual compilation. Granted, that's the largest chunk, but cpp/asm/ld could do with a speed-up too. Anyway, thanks for the pointers

Debconf in Porto Alegre (Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria)

2003-08-05 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 07:37:29PM +, Michelle Ribeiro wrote: Em 30 Jul 2003 15:09:51 -0400 Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: I've been waiting for them to speak up as they have said they would. I am in favour of holding Debconf 4 in South America, but will organise it in

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:14:08PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Uh, no. I am aware of that. That, however, did not prevent it from running the wrong GCC. v2.4.21 of the kernel had a problem with 3.3. It would die repeatedly on the same line in ide-cd.h. I did tell make to use gcc-2.95 and

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Keith Dunwoody
Steve Lamb wrote: I build kernels with alternate compilers all the time. Did you check the log to see which compiler the kernel actually built with? Given that I told it to build with 2.95 and it failed in the same manner as with 3.3 but when I installed 2.95 from Woody which ONLY installs

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-05 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:07:42AM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: So buidd + distcc on a slow m68k/arm/whatever, and distccd on a fast P4 or Athlon, or even on several of those. This is expected to reduce the compile time to almost the same as it is on x86 :). I'm not sure that's true;

Bug#204177: ITP: sec-rpc -- rpc-proxy that allows tunneling of nis and nfs over ssh

2003-08-05 Thread Fabian Franz
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-08-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: sec-rpc Version : 1.5.2 Upstream Author : John Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.math.ualberta.ca/imaging/snfs/ * License : GPL Description : rpc-proxy that

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ian Hickson
Hey guys, I was amused to see my blog post [1] made it to this list. I figured I'd clarify a few points which were omitted from that blog in the interests of brevity and humour. Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, his main problem is Having not used Debian for about 8 years.

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 10:33, Ian Hickson wrote: Hey guys, I was amused to see my blog post [1] made it to this list. I figured I'd clarify a few points which were omitted from that blog in the interests of brevity and humour. Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, his

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Frederik Rousseau
I think Debian's package system is remarkably nice. Unfortunately, it's UI leaves a lot to be desired. The biggest problem is probably the package names: freetype, pango, libgtk2.0, etc, mean absolutely nothing to me, as a user, and I really shouldn't ever have to even see these packages.

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2003-08-05 Thread
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buildd probs sbcl/common-lisp-controller

2003-08-05 Thread Neil Roeth
What's the status of the sbcl/common-lisp-controller problems that were blocking builds on sparc and other platforms? -- Neil Roeth

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-05 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:07:42AM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: So buidd + distcc on a slow m68k/arm/whatever, and distccd on a fast P4 or Athlon, or even on several of those. This is expected to reduce the compile time to almost the same as it is on x86 :). I'm not sure that's

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:14:08PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:37:32 -0400 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you meant to do was to run make CC=gcc-2.95 instead of make. There is no need to futz around with the default gcc version; just ask for what you

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:56:50 -0400 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I know that's 2.4.21, but I'm not going to unpack a whole 2.4.20 tree to demonstrate that it works the same way. It does. I never said it didn't work. What I said was that when I did it 2.4.20 had the same

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 06:00:27AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:56:50 -0400 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I know that's 2.4.21, but I'm not going to unpack a whole 2.4.20 tree to demonstrate that it works the same way. It does. I never said it didn't

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:51:41PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:25:27 -0400 Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see how 2.95 installing both 3.3 and 2.95 somehow equates to a problem! A failed kernel compile when trying to bring stability to a

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread David Z Maze
Frederik Rousseau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really think aptitude should only show end user packages with decent, readable, localised names (Apache Web Server, x Chat (IRC Client), Infrared Control for XMMS). At the moment the user is completely overwhelmed by the list of packages, which is

Re: [Debconf] Re: The slides for my talk

2003-08-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: Well, poor Joey Hess didn't notice it, and he's a native speaker. ;-) This does not necessarily help! In Germany we all know that best English is spoken by native German spaekars - at least we understand them best (because we do mostly the same

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 15:04, David Z Maze wrote: I don't think we need to abandon the power of our current infrastructure, just have ways of making it less visible for people who don't want it. Just a random off-the-wall idea, but *maybe* there could be a new package tag added which means that

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:25:38 -0400 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then perhaps this particular problem was not with gcc 3.3. I think some additional investigation would be prudent before any talk about grave bugs. Which is why I asked here first before just filing. --

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:33:53 -0400 Please stop crusading, and find out what your kernel build actually did. Because it works just fine for all the rest of us. Who's crusading? I am pointing out what I see as an apparent problem for discussion. Crusading would be to file the damned bug

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:33:19AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: Part of the problem I had was that I had a vague understanding that there was something called apt, but that I didn't know what it was or how to do anything with it. The man page said to see apt-get's; apt-get's man page suggested

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:20:21PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:14:08 -0700 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, no. I am aware of that. That, however, did not prevent it from running the wrong GCC. v2.4.21 of the kernel had a problem with 3.3. Correction,

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:54:38 -0400 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't compile your kernel with gcc 3.3. I don't know whether the bugs lie in the kernel or in gcc (or both), but this combination does not work correctly. Yeah. That was the whole reason I was trying to get a copy

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:59:20AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Yeah. That was the whole reason I was trying to get a copy of 2.4.20 compiled with gcc 2.95. I didn't know if it was the compiler or the newer version of the kernel that had the problem. I just knew that my problems started

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:59:20AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:54:38 -0400 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't compile your kernel with gcc 3.3. I don't know whether the bugs lie in the kernel or in gcc (or both), but this combination does not work correctly.

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:33:19AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: Part of the problem I had was that I had a vague understanding that there was something called apt, but that I didn't know what it was or how to do anything with it. The man page said to

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that, if for some reason the user knew about the command apropos, even that wouldn't help him -- none of dselect, aptitude, and apt-get come up for apropos install or apropos setup. I do believe they are

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:06:26 -0400 H. S. Teoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you check your compile logs to see if it actually compiled with gcc-2.95 or with just gcc (==3.3) ? It happened to me several times that when building 2.4.21, it would use gcc-2.95 for the initial configuration and

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:06:26 -0400 H. S. Teoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you check your compile logs to see if it actually compiled with gcc-2.95 or with just gcc (==3.3) ? It happened to me several times that when building 2.4.21, it would use

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
Adam, where does it say anywhere in my sig or headers that I want a CC? I read the list just fine, you can reply to the list and only the list just fine. I don't appreciate replying to what I think is a private message only to see a copy of it in the public area and have to resend the

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:43:36AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:06:26 -0400 H. S. Teoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you check your compile logs to see if it actually compiled with gcc-2.95 or with just gcc (==3.3) ? It happened to me several times that when building

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:14:23AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:33:19AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: Part of the problem I had was that I had a vague understanding that there was something called apt, but that I didn't know

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: Adam, where does it say anywhere in my sig or headers that I want a CC? I read the list just fine, you can reply to the list and only the list just fine. I don't appreciate replying to what I think is a private message only to see a copy of it in

Please NMU dovecot

2003-08-05 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
Could someone please NMU dovecot adding the patch in bug #203892? Either gcc 3.3.1 sucks or I'm having another hardware problem, ... Making all in lib make[4]: Entering directory `/home/jaldhar/src/dovecot/dovecot-0.99.10/src/lib' i386-linux-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -g -O2 -Wall

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:49:17 +0200, Frederik Rousseau [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Anyway, does this mean we need something like a GNU/Linux Debian and a GNU/Linux Debian For Dummies showing only icons? Yes, I think so... Debian-Desktop should be that, probably. I would like to see a package

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: Note that, if for some reason the user knew about the command apropos, even that wouldn't help him -- none of dselect, aptitude, and apt-get come up for apropos install or apropos setup. I do believe they are mentioned several times in the manual.

Re: Fw: Re: Ruby 1.8 transition plan; debian-ruby

2003-08-05 Thread Fumitoshi UKAI
At Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:02:52 +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: As rightfully pointed out by Fumitoshi UKAI, this discussion belongs to the wider audience of debian-devel, especially since Ruby 1.8.0 was released today. NB: some points raised here can be of interest not only to Ruby

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Theo Cabrerizo Diem
I agree with every word There are lot's of packages to do Debian more user friendly, they are available at install time and after by running tasksel. Maybe the problem was the way that Debian was pre-installed I think they only installed base. This isn't suitable for a user. Maybe if

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Colin Watson wrote: The term dselect means nothing to me. It isn't a usable name. That's another example of the problem I mentioned. Tools have names, and they don't really have to be generic. I think it's quite acceptable for the installation manual to tell you the names

Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
Hello I've found your bugreport: http://bugs.debian.org/202869 I see no issue to not depending mutt on mail-transfer-agent. Mutt as is, is a software for reading, writing and sending emails. And to provide a full functionality it needs a kind of transfer-agent. I am not convinced to only

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Artur R. Czechowski dijo [Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:21:00PM +0200]: Hello I've found your bugreport: http://bugs.debian.org/202869 I see no issue to not depending mutt on mail-transfer-agent. Mutt as is, is a software for reading, writing and sending emails. And to provide a full

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 12:33:18AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: I think Debian's package system is remarkably nice. Unfortunately, it's UI leaves a lot to be desired. The biggest problem is probably Which UI did you use? We have a few. apt-get is not an

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:21:00PM +0200, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: OTOH this case concerns not only mutt but also other MUA's. Feel free to discuss it on debian-devel mailing list or propose a changes to Debian Packaging Policy. I will leave this wishitem open until an agreement is reached.

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Josef Spillner
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 18:55, Ian Hickson wrote: Without meaning offense, that is a very selfish attitude. The number of future debian users is *significantly* larger than the number of existing users, unless something drastic happens to either humanity or debian itself. Why should everyone

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:00:03PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: There are enough SMTP/POP3 MUAs which do not need any MTA infrastructure on the local host, whatsoever. But there are some important packages which depends on MTA directly, like: at, cron, debconf, logrotate, mailx. I can imagine

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:55:59AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: [SNIP] Why can't we instead have nice friendly messages? e.g.: Startup logging has begun. Log will be stored in '/var/log/boot'. ...instead of bootlogd. [SNIP] Error messages are there for people who know what they

Bug#204263: ITP: gngeo -- NeoGeo emulator

2003-08-05 Thread Julien Delange
Package: wnpp Version: reported 2003-08-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gngeo Version : 0.5.9a Upstream Author : M. Pepone [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://m.peponas.free.fr/gngeo/ * License : GPL Description : NeoGeo emulator gngeo is an emulator

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:19:53AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: And I would scream if you called it /_My_ Variable Data/ too... :-P I would even scream at /Variable Data/ simply because it encourages slow and RSI-inducing click and drag behaviour, because such path names are impossible to

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Erik Steffl
Artur R. Czechowski wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:00:03PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: There are enough SMTP/POP3 MUAs which do not need any MTA infrastructure on the local host, whatsoever. But there are some important packages which depends on MTA directly, like: at, cron, debconf,

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:00:03PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: There are enough SMTP/POP3 MUAs which do not need any MTA infrastructure on the local host, whatsoever. Mutt can fetch by pop-3, but I think it has no smtp support build in, or? I just (actually few hours ago) find patch which

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Carlos E. Pruitt, Jr.
Debian should not change its attitude or methods to meet the end user's needs. Think of Debian as a the painter's palette. All of the tools you need are available to you. It installs a base system and you customize from there. Would I recommend Debian for John Doe user? As a base raw install

python 2.2 - python 2.3 transition

2003-08-05 Thread Matthias Klose
Last weekend, python 2.3 was released. For an overview see http://python.org/2.3/highlights.html With the next python2.3 upload, python2.3 becomes the default python version. Some packages become uninstallable until they are converted to the new version. In this time you should not update

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Emile van Bergen | Hi, | | On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:19:53AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: | | And I would scream if you called it /_My_ Variable Data/ too... :-P | | I would even scream at | | /Variable Data/ | | simply because it encourages slow and RSI-inducing click and drag |

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: Note that, if for some reason the user knew about the command apropos, even that wouldn't help him -- none of dselect, aptitude, and apt-get come up for apropos install or apropos setup. I do believe they are

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:21:00PM +0200, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: OTOH this case concerns not only mutt but also other MUA's. Feel free to discuss it on debian-devel mailing list or propose a changes to Debian Packaging Policy. I will leave this

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
Oh, look, someone else who CCs when it is obvious the person they're responding to is participating right here. On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: What manual? I rest my case. I receieved the machine with

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Greenland
First off, error messages can always be improved, and I bet the program maintainers would be happy to accept patches, so long as those patches don't *decrease* the amount of information available. But in one area you're dead wrong: On 05-Aug-03, 11:55 (CDT), Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:06:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Tab completion or using /Va* is about as fast as /var. Heh, teach yourself to type /Va* and you're going to get BURNED one day. (Your co-sysadmin finds a rootkit on another machine and stores it in /Various Dangerous Programs/ for

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:38:19 +0200 Emile van Bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple has a great way of doing that. They don't dumb down, they don't belittle you, they assume an intelligent being who can grasp reasonably complex English sentences, but who has less knowledge of computer idiom.

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:16:37 +0200 Emile van Bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would even scream at /Variable Data/ simply because it encourages slow and RSI-inducing click and drag behaviour, because such path names are impossible to type in (and this one even requires escaping the space

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:42:43 +0200 Artur R. Czechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know Md's opinion, but for me there are no reasons to relax dependencies for mutt (and other MUA). I would not like to do it without policy requirements because it concerns also other MUA's. But

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:16:43 -0400 H. S. Teoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Downgrading sounds like overkill in this situation. I only had to edit /usr/src/linux/Makefile to change HOSTCC to gcc-2.95 and export CC=gcc-2.95 in the environment, and it worked fine for me. This is on 2.4.21, of course,

Re: Bug#202869: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
I can imagine a workstation without those packages but it is, IMO, mutilated box. please keep your opinion outside the control file. cron, at friends __need__ an MTA (or to be exact: a /usr/sbin/sendmail app), they will not work without. mutt can do many nice things without

Re: Fw: Re: Ruby 1.8 transition plan; debian-ruby

2003-08-05 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 12:12, Fumitoshi UKAI wrote: Since ruby 1.8.0 was released recently, ruby developers will go to ruby 1.8.x, so that we, ruby maintenance team (akira, tagoh, ukai), are discussing about how to deal with Ruby 1.8 transition and trying to make debian ruby policy soon.

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 03:03:54PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'm a geek, one who has been using GNU-based distributions on multiple machines on a daily basis for at least 3 years, and Sun for 6 years before

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Alan Shutko
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, look, someone else who CCs when it is obvious the person they're responding to is participating right here. Maybe you should stop whining and just set the Mail-Copies-To header, which is generally respected by posters on Debian lists? -- Alan

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:30:11 +0100 Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hixie's pretty well-known in certain other free software circles. What I've seen of him elsewhere implies to me that he isn't incompetent in the least, and frankly I think you're going way overboard in the hostility of

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Alan Shutko
Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heh, teach yourself to type /Va* and you're going to get BURNED one day. (Your co-sysadmin finds a rootkit on another machine and stores it in /Various Dangerous Programs/ for later examination...) And gee, your shell beeps, completes up to /Various\

Re: Bug#202869: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Hans Fugal
* Andreas Jellinghaus [Wed, 6 Aug 2003 at 00:27 +0200] mutt can do many nice things without /usr/sbin/sendmail. a dependency is set if something is always required, a recommends if is required for the common use, and a suggestion is used if it improved the functionality. so depending on

Re: Bug#202869: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, [ note that I atm have the tendency to say that the Depends should remain... ] Hans Fugal wrote: * Andreas Jellinghaus [Wed, 6 Aug 2003 at 00:27 +0200] mutt can do many nice things without /usr/sbin/sendmail. a dependency is set if something is always required, a recommends if is

Re: Have Linux boot with eye-candy

2003-08-05 Thread Erich Schubert
Hi, i have built packages for the bootsplash tools (no package for the patch itself though. just download and apply the diff). They are available on http://people.debian.org/~erich/boot/bootsplash/ and work fine on my notebook as well as my sisters. I didn't get the bootsplash support of swsusp

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:39:06 -0500, Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heh, teach yourself to type /Va* and you're going to get BURNED one day. (Your co-sysadmin finds a rootkit on another machine and stores it in /Various Dangerous

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT), Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: You can't get there from here, I think. Unix admins coming to Debian will scream blue murder if it starts being /My Variable Data/Logs, and that group is important to us. Note that there is at least one

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Gustavo Noronha Silva dijo [Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:26:20PM -0300]: Note that there is at least one project which is looking at doing exactly that while retaining backwards compatability (GoboLinux). It may be worth, on the long term, looking at how it may be possible to migrate from

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Brian Nelson
Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, look, someone else who CCs when it is obvious the person they're responding to is participating right here. Maybe you should stop whining and just set the Mail-Copies-To header, which is generally respected

Request for maintainer

2003-08-05 Thread jmd
Hi! Subject: RFP: GRubik -- A 3D Rubik cube game Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-08-06 Severity: wishlist * Package name: GRubik Version : 1.16 Upstream Author : John Darrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/rubik/grubik.html *

OT (Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done)

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-07-21 18:52]: Perhaps that is because only the DPL can appoint them (as far as I can tell) and we haven't seen a request from you for them. Request for help are usually very

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Dwayne C. Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:09:47PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2001-01-24 - Dwayne Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=dlitz%40dlitz.net For the record, I'm still interested in becoming a DD. Nice

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:17:24AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Martin Schulze is listed as the other DAM member. He's also the Press Contact, so I certainly hope he has good communication skills! And the Stable Release Manager, and a member

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathanael Nerode) writes: Steve Langasek said: I don't think it irrelevant that those clamouring loudest for the DPL to do something to fix the situation are people who don't actually have a say in the outcome of DPL elections. While I'm not happy to see such long DAM

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Kalle Kivimaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: with. The MIA problem is significant enough that NM might be the only way to tackle with it seriously. That means taking time to examine applications. BTW, has anybody done any research into what types of

Re: Request for maintainer

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi! Subject: RFP: GRubik -- A 3D Rubik cube game Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-08-06 Severity: wishlist * Package name: GRubik Version : 1.16 Upstream Author : John Darrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL :

Accepted time 1.7-16 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:03:47 -0500 Source: time Binary: time Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.7-16 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Dirk Eddelbuettel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Dirk Eddelbuettel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted luola 1.2.0-1 (i386 source all)

2003-08-05 Thread Christian T. Steigies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:22:21 -0400 Source: luola Binary: luola luola-data Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.2.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Christian T. Steigies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Christian T.

Accepted gem 0.87cvs20030708-4 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Debian/GNU
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:12:43 +0200 Source: gem Binary: gem Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.87cvs20030708-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Guenter Geiger (Debian/GNU) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Guenter Geiger

Accepted loudmouth 0.13-1 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Ross Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:53:29 +0100 Source: loudmouth Binary: libloudmouth0 libloudmouth-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.13-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Ross Burton

Accepted pam-dotfile 0.6-4 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Oliver Kurth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:29:17 +0200 Source: pam-dotfile Binary: libpam-dotfile Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.6-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Oliver Kurth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Oliver Kurth [EMAIL

Accepted mopd 1:2.5.3-3 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Patrick Caulfield
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:36:40 +0100 Source: mopd Binary: mopd Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:2.5.3-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Patrick Caulfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Patrick Caulfield [EMAIL

Accepted sylpheed-claws 0.9.4claws-1 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:21:43 -0300 Source: sylpheed-claws Binary: sylpheed-claws Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.4claws-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gustavo Noronha Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Gustavo

Accepted xtokkaetama 1.0b-9 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Kenshi Muto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:39:46 +0900 Source: xtokkaetama Binary: xtokkaetama Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.0b-9 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Kenshi Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Kenshi Muto [EMAIL

Accepted fprobe 0.4-1 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:34:39 +1000 Source: fprobe Binary: fprobe Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.4-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Anibal Monsalve Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Anibal Monsalve Salazar

Accepted webalizer 2.01.10-19 (i386 source)

2003-08-05 Thread Remco van de Meent
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:51:56 +0200 Source: webalizer Binary: webalizer Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.01.10-19 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Remco van de Meent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Remco van de Meent