Re: Volantino evento traduzioni

2003-12-03 Thread Carlo Contavalli
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:24:47AM +0100, Stefano Canepa happily wrote: Io vorrei partecipare all'evento e visto che traduco anche per gnome rilancer? l'invito nella lista dei traduttori di gnome. Non sono sicuro Fantastico! A Genova ? stato distribuito visto che c'era un banchetto Debian.

problem de creation de paquet

2003-12-03 Thread Lam
hola j'essaye de construire un paquet debian d'une application dans le repertoire doc, j'ai 2 scripts shell, lorsque je cree l'archi du paquet, je l'ai retrouve en non executable ! je vois pas pourquoi les permissions changent une idee ? merci -- (concatenate 'string lam (reverse

Re: Bug#222730: ITP: zope-groupuserfolder -- group management for Zope

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This package is an empty dummy package that always depends on a package built for Debian's default Python version. Why that. It should depend from Debian's Zope version or if explicite Python dependency is needed for one or the other reason it should

Re: popularity-contest

2003-12-03 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Gürkan Sengün] I could not reach [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is mentioned on the following page: http://people.debian.org/~apenwarr/popcon/ Are you aware that the popcon project are now on alioth? URL:https://alioth.debian.org/projects/popcon/ The work stopped up a bit because of the break-in,

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:57:11AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:54:24AM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: The only way to have avoided this kernel vulnerability from day-0 of discovery/fix release would have been to be constantly upgrading to pre-release kernels.

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003, Tom wrote: Yes but the attacker did not steal the DD's computer. He rooted it remotely. So the machine is rooted remotely, the DD logs into a debian box even using our new fangled smart cards, and the attacker still can control the connection. In this particular intrusion

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:20:59AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2003, Tom wrote: Yes but the attacker did not steal the DD's computer. He rooted it remotely. So the machine is rooted remotely, the DD logs into a debian box even using our new fangled smart cards, and the

Re: [debian-devel] Re: more details on the recent compromise of debian.org machines

2003-12-03 Thread Magosnyi rpd
A levelezm azt hiszi, hogy Matt Zimmerman a kvetkezeket rta: On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 10:08:45AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: In the final announcement I would add also a statement about reducing the number of trust relations between the machines and perhaps limiting shell access. It

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Don Armstrong
[NB: I wanted to take this OT discussion off [EMAIL PROTECTED] and into private mail, but your e-mail address was munged in some sort of anti-spam measure, and not trivially un-mungeable. Please consider providing information on how to demunge it in some X- header, or not using munging at all.]

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:24:09AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: | This is the Proprietary software model, with artificial, government | imposed (via copyright laws) monopolies, resulting in customer lock-in | and price maximization. | | I dont see a monopol, at least no government imposed.

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:03:16AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: [NB: I wanted to take this OT discussion off [EMAIL PROTECTED] and into private mail, but your e-mail address was munged in some sort of anti-spam measure, and not trivially un-mungeable. Please consider providing information on

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:16:39AM -0800, Tom wrote: If something could have prevented something that actually happened, I say go for it. Oh, one last thing: each DD should pay for the device him/her self and should be required to fly to meet wherever they can pick them up. Why do you

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:00:51PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: I agree that smartcards would help a lot. However as has been previously suggested the cost of 1200+ smart-card readers is probably prohibitive. What about RSA tokens? This solution does not require any special hardware to connect

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003, Tom wrote: each DD should pay for the device him/her self and should be required to fly to meet wherever they can pick them up. Why do you assume somebody has to pay for everything? What's wrong with bearing some of the costs yourself? Could it possibly be because

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - packages

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, John Goerzen wrote: First of all. This is obviously not a Debian projects I see it clearly as Debian project and can't find the rationale why you sais that it is _obviousely_ not. (since it is not operating within the Debian framework.) Why. If I see this right Zenaan is

Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: In my view (as I said), it would be logical to name a further subdivision of that product flavor. I like this interpretation of the term flavor and it would be easily applicable for Debian-Med to flavors like: - Medical practice -

Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: Actually, I'd like to see the term Custom Debian Distribution be set aside because a custom something is created each time someone modifies an original. Debian Enterprise certainly is an original. By the time a capable sysadmin has installed it, it

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:02:19PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 06:05:44PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: dpkg that it is downgrading the package, and a clever attacker might avoid even that.

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:16:32PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: So unless you have a suggestion that would solve this particular issue, I'm afraid this idea won't work in practice. We could verify if

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:34, Artur R. Czechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:00:51PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: I agree that smartcards would help a lot. However as has been previously suggested the cost of 1200+ smart-card readers is probably prohibitive. What about

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 06:50:09AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How often has this person glance over the results? As I understand debian build daemons run unattended and build continously. Correct me when I am wrong here. But if I asume

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:49:21PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:34, Artur R. Czechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:00:51PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: I agree that smartcards would help a lot. However as has been previously suggested the cost

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Tom wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:54:24AM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 11:17:19AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: The only way to have avoided this kernel vulnerability from day-0 of discovery/fix release would have been

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:06:33PM +0100, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: What is a RSA token? Device used in some internet banks. You have a device, which has only chipset, digital pad with on/off switch and display, all embedded in small case. Authentication is made using C/R algorithm: you

The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-03 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 12:17, Andreas Tille wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: The term suggests that the distribution is not-Debian, which is unneccessary and confusing. As non native speaker and also in general I try to avoid joining stupid naming discussions. But here is

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:10:28PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Are you going to pay for all those smartcards plus their readers? Including any smartcards for possible future DD's? If not, I suggest we forget about this, as it won't be feasible. I don't think the USB models cost that much

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, [ I'm Cc-ing Werner Koch on this ] Wouter Verhelst: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:16:32PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: So unless you have a suggestion that would solve this particular issue, I'm

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:06:33PM +0100, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: What is a RSA token? Device used in some internet banks. You have a device, which has only chipset, digital pad with on/off switch and display, all embedded in small case. Authentication is made using C/R algorithm: you

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:08:10PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Wouter Verhelst: Especially in the case of larger .debs, that would probably reduce the actual signature size as well... ?? A hash is a hash, and should be independent of file size. Obviously, sorry. I don't know how I got

Re: configuring lilo on package installation

2003-12-03 Thread Javier Fernndez-Sanguino Pea
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 06:19:39PM +0100, Tobias Grimm wrote: Hi! I'm working on a nvram-wakeup package for a Debian based VDR distribution (c't vdr). nvram-wakeup needs a special kernel-image, that forces a shutdown on the next reboot. Normally this image is installed to /boot and a

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts (was: Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion)

2003-12-03 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Chad Walstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031202 18:14]: I'm not following your logic, if that's what you call it. You're saying that checking the current filesystem on a daily basis is NOT a good way to verify filesystem integrity? I say it won't give you an real advantage over checking the

Bug#222450: ITP: audiolink -- makes managing and searching for music easier

2003-12-03 Thread Amit Shah
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: audiolink Version : 0.04 Upstream Author : Amit Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://audiolink.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPLv2 Description : makes managing and searching for music easier AudioLink is

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:27:39 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The RSA SecurID tokens are a bit smarter than that; the output for a given input changes every minute. My employer uses them for remote access to their intranet; you have a fixed pin number which you enter into the card to

Bug#222592: ITP: sks -- Synchronizing OpenPGP Key Server

2003-12-03 Thread Peter Palfrader
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: sks Version : 1.0.5 Upstream Author : Yaron M. Minsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.nongnu.org/sks/ * License : GPL (parts are LGPL, BSD) Description : Synchronizing OpenPGP Key Server SKS is an

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Werner Koch: There are some minor problems because we don't just sign a hash but need to add some more data. Creating an incomplete hash on the remote machine is not the cleanest solution, so I have to come up with a better way. You're the GPG expert... I'm also a bit concerned about

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: It might be hard, impossible and undesirable to reverse the decision to use the term. Exactly. I think the term can be correctly understood if you present it as I have in some recent postings to this list: Debian is the super-project.

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:06, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea what they cost. Also the newest ones are not exactly fit for carrying around in your wallet. They last 3 years on internal batteries. I seriously doubt that the server-side software is DFSG-free. The only Linux

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:06:08PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:27:39 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The RSA SecurID tokens are a bit smarter than that; the output for a given input changes every minute. My employer uses them for remote access to their

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:16:39AM -0800, Tom wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:03:16AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: [NB: I wanted to take this OT discussion off [EMAIL PROTECTED] and into private mail, but your e-mail address was munged in some sort of anti-spam measure, and not

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:16:32PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: So unless you have a suggestion that would solve this particular issue, I'm afraid this

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:20:57AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: How about including your full name somewhere in your posts too then? I find it a bit off-putting to discuss security with someone who's obscuring their identity. Ha Ha Ha what a joke. I don't want to be googled for all

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Werner Koch: There are some minor problems because we don't just sign a hash but need to add some more data. Creating an incomplete hash on the remote machine is not the cleanest solution, so I have to come up with a better way.

Re: configuring lilo on package installation

2003-12-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Javier =?iso-8859-15?Q?Fern=E1ndez-Sanguino_Pe=F1a?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 06:19:39PM +0100, Tobias Grimm wrote: Hi! I'm working on a nvram-wakeup package for a Debian based VDR distribution (c't vdr). nvram-wakeup needs a special kernel-image, that

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:19:36 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:06:08PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: I seriously doubt that the server-side software is DFSG-free. The only Linux Agent that is available from rsa.com is for RedHat 7.3, and I would be astonished

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Werner Koch: On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:26:02 +0100, Matthias Urlichs said: the local side is supposed to sign should probably be encrypted with the signer's public key, otherwise I can just replace the data packet with something that ends up signing a totally different file. :-/ And if

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-03 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:24:24PM +0200, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: If some of the people who participated in the Debcamp Custom Distribution BOF (see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-nonprofit/News/2003/20030717) are listening, perhaps you could elaborate? (Cc'ing Mako Hill since he was

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:24:50AM -0800, Tom wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:16:39AM -0800, Tom wrote: If something could have prevented something that actually happened, I say go for it. Oh, one last thing: each DD should pay for the device him/her self and should be required to

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:45:49AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Share the crack. In my experience kids in college and right out tend to freak out over the thought of having to spend a few dollars of disposable income, because they don't have any :-) Hey, laugh if you want, most

Re: [RFC] adding system users: which is the best way??

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I think the idea of a namespace for usernames used by packages is a good idea, but rather than debian-, we should take this to the LSB folk, so that we can get it done once. The problem with this is time. I need to add a system-user (for exim4)

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:42:20AM -0800, Tom wrote: Let me tell you a story about a job I had one time: I worked for a guy (in his basement -- don't ask) who bought your personal credit card data and other publicly available information. He would pay about $10,000 or $15,000 for lists of

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - a Custom Debian Distribution

2003-12-03 Thread Fraser Campbell
On December 1, 2003 07:05 pm, Enrico Zini wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 02:33:57PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: - GNU ERP software project ?name? GNU Enterprise (gnue) http://www.gnue.org/ I've just learnt of Cubit from South Africa: http://www.cubit.co.za/ Is it free software? They

Bug#222630: ext2 is the wrong default for partconf/create-filesystem

2003-12-03 Thread Gleydson Mazioli da Silva
I think the reason for that is because on old BF days disk space was expensive (so lost 32MB for a journal file ou more than that would be a considerable lost). Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu em Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:43:54 -0500: Package: partconf Severity: normal Most users will want

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:06:07AM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: So you've aided telemarketers and worked for Microsoft? Is your last name Darkness, middle name Prince of? Satan fell because he wanted to know. So do I. I'm a contrarian. I believe the opposite of whatever I'm confronted with

exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, as co-maintainer for the exim4-packages, I have noticed an issue with dselect. Currently, exim4 is the default MTA, and exim4, exim4-base, exim4-config and exim4-daemon-light are Priority: important, while exim4-daemon-light provides mail-transport-agent. The exact package dependencies can be

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 04:41:00PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: as co-maintainer for the exim4-packages, I have noticed an issue with dselect. Currently, exim4 is the default MTA, and exim4, exim4-base, exim4-config and exim4-daemon-light are Priority: important, while exim4-daemon-light provides

Two different libpng2_1.0.12-3.woody.3_i386.deb?

2003-12-03 Thread Santiago Vila
file=main/libp/libpng/libpng2_1.0.12-3.woody.3_i386.deb wget -q -O 1.deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/$file wget -q -O 2.deb http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/$file diff 1.deb 2.deb Binary files 1.deb and 2.deb differ How could this happen? Should I worry about it?

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:15:30AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 04:41:00PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: as co-maintainer for the exim4-packages, I have noticed an issue with dselect. Currently, exim4 is the default MTA, and exim4, exim4-base, exim4-config and

Re: development environment question

2003-12-03 Thread John Smith
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 18:36, bruce wrote: hi... I was talking with Ian Murdock yesterday, and he suggested I pose the question to this group. We're interested in creating a development environment that would allow open source applications to be created. The development environment would

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - policies

2003-12-03 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:01:09 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: (Really should read ahead further ... here are more, and all laid out together) * DFSG Free Software only (I know this one will get debated, but this is the whole point of Debian Enterprise - if you want proprietary software, go

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:54:22PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: Nov 28 22:39 Linux 2.4.23 released ^ Bernd is correct, though - if the machines had been running 2.4.23, they wouldn't have been vulnerable. The fact that it was impossible to do so

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031203 04:03]: I have sent a message to Werner asking if the GPG smart-card device could be re-implemented with a USB interface. I think that a USB dongle with GPG technology would be a good option as most developer's machines already have USB support.

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:22:44 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 01 Dec 2003, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2003, christophe barbe wrote: Before mass bug-filling, it would be necessary to make it mandatory which

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - packages

2003-12-03 Thread Chris Halls
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 05:49, John Goerzen wrote: * Office Suite - OpenOffice (there's no other near as feature complete) And OpenOffice is the only one that runs on only two -- yes, two -- architectures that Debian supports. You missed two. OOo is available on i386, powerpc, sparc and

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Tom may or may not have written... On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:45:49AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Share the crack. In my experience kids in college and right out tend to freak out over the thought of having to spend a few dollars of disposable income, because they don't have

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - flavors

2003-12-03 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Zenaan Harkness said on Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:58:18PM +1100: Flavours (and sub-flavours/ tasks/ yadda) is as good a place to start as any. So here are some proposed flavours: - Enterprise (base packages and more neutral config) - Enterprise Desktop - with sub-flavours of: -

Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian

2003-12-03 Thread VEROK Istvan
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: In my view (as I said), it would be logical to name a further subdivision of that product flavor. I like this interpretation of the term flavor and it would be easily applicable for Debian-Med to flavors

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:08:28 +0100, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AFAICS the only way to verify the contents of maintainer scripts automaticaly is to have the binary package, verify its contents via .changes or Release/Packages path, extract it and compare the files. Too complicated.

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 04:36:18PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: How many financials implementations are ultimately needed - really only one, perhaps customized for vertical markets. A healthy market requires competition. And different companies have very different needs. The IT Infrastructure

Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian

2003-12-03 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 01:32, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Debian is the super-project. Debian Enterprise is a Debian Subproject that creates a Custom Debian Distribution, Subproject and custom debian distribution, here, are the same thing. No point officially having two terms.

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 03:17:20AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: What the admins signature can gives us is a trusted timestamp and another pair of eyes reading the changes files. Well, a trusted timestamp can be added/required by a third

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - packages

2003-12-03 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:45:51 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: As per the recommendations from Bruce Perens' User Linux paper http://userlinux.com/white_paper.html, this thread is to discuss the applications within the bounded set of Debian Enterprise/ User Linux. I think discussing the favorite

Install Images

2003-12-03 Thread Tom Badran
Is there anywhere i can download debian-installer beta images (im getting a new laptop tommorow), prefereably with support for reiserfs filesystems? Gluck still isnt working and i cant seem to find mirrors anywhere. Thanks Tom -- ^__^| Tom Badran (oo)\__ | Imperial

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:10:56PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:06:41PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Similarly, to check the build depends of a source package file: apt-get build-dep

Re: INSTALL-REPORT

2003-12-03 Thread Thomas Wana
On Wednesday 03 December 2003 19:33, Joshua Kwan wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:22:14AM +0100, Werner Wobrowsky wrote: Debian Installer sarge-i386-bussinescard.iso, httP://freedesktop.or/ Cool, but... FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE-p11 #0: Thu Nov 27 15:07:08 CET 2003 [EMAIL

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-03 Thread Sebastien Bacher
AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Debian has a usability problem - it's hard to start lots of programs, installed from debian packages, because simple users just can't find them in menu. Standart debian menu entry isn't good solution for user-friendly desktops, like

Re: Install Images

2003-12-03 Thread Tom Badran
On Wednesday 03 December 2003 18:12, Andreas Metzler wrote: http://freedesktop.org/~daniel/d-i/ cu andreas You star ;) Thanks Tom -- ^__^| Tom Badran (oo)\__ | Imperial College (__)\ )\/\| Department of Computing ||w || ---

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Werner Koch
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:08:10 +0100, Matthias Urlichs said: signature algorithm would allow for hashing the data on the remote machine, and signing that hash locally. ... that would work. It'd probably require a few hooks within GPG to generate a hash packet / . Since I moved my actual

Re: Two different libpng2_1.0.12-3.woody.3_i386.deb?

2003-12-03 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:44:36PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: file=main/libp/libpng/libpng2_1.0.12-3.woody.3_i386.deb wget -q -O 1.deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/$file wget -q -O 2.deb http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/$file diff 1.deb 2.deb Binary files 1.deb and 2.deb differ

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 06:43:18AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 03:07:17AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: But this kind of tampering _can_ be checked by apt before installing the deb simply by adding a

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 20:15, Herbert Xu wrote: AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solution is to add freedesktop.org standartized menu entry for programs, which could be started from menu (for example there is no meaning to start apt-get tool from menu). Then users of

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-03 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-12-03 12:24, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 12:17, Andreas Tille wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: The term suggests that the distribution is not-Debian, which is unneccessary and confusing. As non

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas wrote: Herbert Xu: Please discuss this on debian-devel before filing further bugs. IMHO, there's no need to discuss this to death -- .desktop files make sense, therefore packages should supply them. There's no sane way to ask maintainers to do so except to file bugs,

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:02:19PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: You change the contents of the compromised Packages file, so that Package: bash is accompanied by Filename: pool/main/b/bash/vulnerable-ident-server_1.0-1_i386.deb which

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 04:21:55 +1000, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: I'm going to ignore the -config package, since it's not really part of the problem. Is it? Okay, so you want to say: * any exim4-daemon package should only be installed when exim4-base is already

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:12:36 -0500, christophe barbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't see why adding a md5dsum_are_mandatory clause to the debian policy would be difficult (what would be a good reason to not add md5sum to a package?). Because it buys little security wise? Because there

Re: [RFC] adding system users: which is the best way??

2003-12-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 01:51, Andreas Metzler wrote: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I think the idea of a namespace for usernames used by packages is a good idea, but rather than debian-, we should take this to the LSB folk, so that we can get it done once. The problem

Re: Bug#222730: ITP: zope-groupuserfolder -- group management for Zope

2003-12-03 Thread Nicolas Ledez
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:58:19AM +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit : On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This package is an empty dummy package that always depends on a package built for Debian's default Python version. Why that. It should depend from Debian's Zope version or if

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security

2003-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:54:29 -0800, Tom Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:45:49AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Share the crack. In my experience kids in college and right out tend to freak out over the thought of having to spend a few dollars of disposable income,

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:26:15AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Guess what the median age of a Debian developer is. Don't know, don't care. Volunteer organization have dues? Yes, I don't know what planet you're from, but on this planet the Rotarians, Kiwanas, Civitans, Knights

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:28:30AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Sender: Tom Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, somebody else pointed that out. It's bullshit that mutt was doing that to me. My /etc/email-addresses: # This is /etc/email-addresses. It is part of the exim package # # This file

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security [Was: Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call]

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:34:05PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2003, Tom wrote: I think the DD's should seriously think about requiring smartcards. It would have prevented the proxmiate cause of our recent troubles. Smartcards are not a magical panacea either. The problems

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:49:20PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: exim4 is a metapackage that depends on the other three and is not hit by the problem. The rest is a straighforward chain. daemon -base -config. other possible dependencies would be: daemon -config -base

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security

2003-12-03 Thread Tom
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:24:07AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Heh. Your grasp of the practicality of the situation is slipping. Not only do these guys donate a fairly expensive chunk of billable hours and expertise, they must pay to be able to volunteer? Sure, if you care about

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:46:45 +, Geoff Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 01:28:28PM -0800, Tom wrote: I read all the words but took a completely different meaning :-) I'm from the South, we have different speech patterns... South of where? The Mason-Dixon

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote: hm, I've added a definition to the wiki: A Custom Debian Distribution (CDD) is a version of Debian that is tailored I do not like the term version. I'd prefer a subset of Debian. You get a CDD together with main but you get a helping hand to cope with the

Re: [RFC] adding system users: which is the best way??

2003-12-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 07:47, Bernhard R. Link wrote: Could anyone familar with cups explain why this is no RC-bug? From when I've seen it do it, for the same reason SWAT and webmin aren't RC bugs: They do it because the administrator said to change the config. signature.asc Description: This

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 03:07:17AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: But this kind of tampering _can_ be checked by apt before installing the deb simply by adding a signature verifyer into the DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs config option, the same

Re: Two different libpng2_1.0.12-3.woody.3_i386.deb?

2003-12-03 Thread Gabor Burjan
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:44:36PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: wget -q -O 1.deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/$file wget -q -O 2.deb http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/$file diff 1.deb 2.deb Binary files 1.deb and 2.deb differ How could this happen? Should I worry about it? $

Re: INSTALL-REPORT

2003-12-03 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:22:14AM +0100, Werner Wobrowsky wrote: Debian Installer sarge-i386-bussinescard.iso, httP://freedesktop.or/ Cool, but... FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE-p11 #0: Thu Nov 27 15:07:08 CET 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/NEW I didn't know the sarge ISOs

Bug#222807: ITP: distcmd -- Distribute load to multiple machines using ssh

2003-12-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: distcmd Version : 0.9 Upstream Author : Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://ntp.derobert.net/DistCmd/ * License : GPL Description : Distribute

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